Shadowing own taskforce

commandosolo2009 · 05-24-11, 05:52 AM

Hello,

I've been stationed around the Carolines and my RO reported radar contact. So, my tracking party (

= me) start to track the mysterious multi-blip contact. After 6 hours of shadowing and establishing a base course, I head into an attack position 3 kms starboard the moving contact. Minutes later, I pop up periscope and start my routine.

Bearing - mark! Range - mark! nationality...

Down scope prepare to surface, prepare to surface, all ahead 2/3s blow main ballast, give me a rise on those planes, flood negative, pressure in the boat... Battlestations secure...

Imagine the frustration on shadowing an own taskforce....

Friend or Foe my *^^!!! I mean how do I know these are friendlies?

Realistic yeah, but I even opened up the map and moved mouse over AO, no reports received or faded about a US TF. W----- T------ F?????

Aviv · 05-24-11, 09:11 AM

Haha before I've done the opposite..
A big group of contacts straight ahead of me. I decided they shouldn't be Japanese because we are so close to some friendly ports. It's clear with no wind and I stay surfaced. Of course it's just my luck that I run into the Japanese destroyer escort! Fortunately I could dive deep enough and it didn't cause much problems, but I still wasted an attack on a TF.

Daniel Prates · 05-24-11, 10:25 AM

It could have been worst. In poor visibility conditions, it was not impossible to have mistaken friendlies for foes. Imagine sinking the Yorktown by accident. Imagine coming back to port, all cheerful like, bragging to your commanding officer that you sank a CV... "oh you SOB so that was you!"

Anyone knows of a real-life friendly-fire situations? Reagarding fleetboats, that is.

Dogfish40 · 05-24-11, 12:09 PM

Hey Solo,...There you are!
Yeah, we've been talking about all kinds of visibility problems and mine the past week was heavy fog. Since I don't peek I couldn't see the dang flags. Oh...they were there, you could make out the ships outline but the fog obscured all detail.
Anyway, I'm glad you didn't fire a salvo. It would be awful to get three sunk and then realise your going in front of a firing squad...

Good Hunting!

D40

Torplexed · 05-24-11, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Prates

It could have been worst. In poor visibility conditions, it was not impossible to have mistaken friendlies for foes. Imagine sinking the Yorktown by accident. Imagine coming back to port, all cheerful like, bragging to your commanding officer that you sank a CV... "oh you SOB so that was you!"

Anyone knows of a real-life friendly-fire situations? Reagarding fleetboats, that is.

The reverse was the main problem. US submarines being mistaken for Japanese ones. A fleet boat captain could be fairly confident that once in a sea area with skies controlled exclusively by Allied land based planes he wouldn't have to worry about stumbling on a Japanese task force. However, for an Allied task force an enemy submarine could be lurking anywhere.

Stealhead · 05-24-11, 08:32 PM

I do believe that one US sub was either lost or seriously damaged due to fratricide during WWII.Of course a few times US subs and aircraft also sank ships loaded with POWs but they could not have known because the Japanese did not mark transports when they where carrying POWs.The same could apply in an open war zone you could expect any naval vessel friend or foe to be dangerous(when the friend does not your present) they did have light coded challenges to try and avoid this also a US sub could "ping" a buddy but how can the buddy know that the japs did not deploy sonar and he is discovering it?

Diopos · 05-25-11, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

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also a US sub could "ping" a buddy but how can the buddy know that the japs did not deploy sonar and he is discovering it?

"Ping" in code ?

.

Daniel Prates · 05-25-11, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Diopos

"Ping" in code ?.

Ping in morse!

ping, piiiiing, ping ping ping, piiiing ping piiing, ping, ping ping (meaning "wazzzuuup y'all")

Aviv · 05-25-11, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Prates

Ping in morse!

ping, piiiiing, ping ping ping, piiiing ping piiing, ping, ping ping (meaning "wazzzuuup y'all")

Hahahahahahaha!

But really friendly fire must have been dangerous. The same with aircraft. How can you know when a plane coming towards you is friendly? And how close does he need to be before he knows you're a friendly too?
Dangerous!

Armistead · 05-25-11, 10:53 AM

I sunk a US carrier once like this during my early play. Too far to see a flag and was the first US TF I'd ever seen, probably didn't think they existed in the game. I id'ed a "Fleet Carrier",,,figured it was JP and sent torps at it. I then ID'ed a Fletcher DD, I knew that was US..but the torps went crashing home and scratch one flattop...

Oh well, it was stock then and I sunk several merchants later and still got a medal.

WernherVonTrapp · 05-25-11, 11:13 AM

The worst things I ever did was to sink a French merchant vessel (heavy fog) and a neutral Sampan (dumb luck).
There are two websites that I use (once in a while) for quick reference. One site lists 1 sub (Seawolf) as lost to friendly fire, the other lists 2 subs (Seawolf, Dorado) lost to friendly fire.

http://www.subsowespac.org/united-st...d-war-ii.shtml

http://www.valoratsea.com/losses1.htm

I'm not sure of how accurate or up to date the stats are on these pages.

magic452 · 05-25-11, 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armistead

I sunk a US carrier once like this during my early play. Too far to see a flag and was the first US TF I'd ever seen, probably didn't think they existed in the game. I id'ed a "Fleet Carrier",,,figured it was JP and sent torps at it. I then ID'ed a Fletcher DD, I knew that was US..but the torps went crashing home and scratch one flattop...

Oh well, it was stock then and I sunk several merchants later and still got a medal.

Did almost the exact thing, except I saw a BB or cruiser that I recognized the name before I fired at the "Fleet Carrier". It was my first TF in 1.4 stock.
Scope down, dive deep and silent running just to avoid friendly fire.

Magic

deceptiboat · 05-25-11, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Armistead

I sunk a US carrier once like this during my early play. Too far to see a flag and was the first US TF I'd ever seen, probably didn't think they existed in the game. I id'ed a "Fleet Carrier",,,figured it was JP and sent torps at it. I then ID'ed a Fletcher DD, I knew that was US..but the torps went crashing home and scratch one flattop...

Oh well, it was stock then and I sunk several merchants later and still got a medal.

how the hell the navy still gave you a medal after sinking a fleet carrier

well, i often sink a friendly battleship, in pearl harbor, when i feel bored

commandosolo2009 · 05-26-11, 11:48 AM

it was on a clear afternoon and I also confirmed nationality by looking at other ships... One was a Flower Corvette. I'm sad I spent some gas over this, but at the same time, happy I didn't commit a blue on blue..

05-24-11, 05:52 AM	#1
commandosolo2009 Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Egypt Posts: 840 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	Shadowing own taskforce Hello, I've been stationed around the Carolines and my RO reported radar contact. So, my tracking party (= me) start to track the mysterious multi-blip contact. After 6 hours of shadowing and establishing a base course, I head into an attack position 3 kms starboard the moving contact. Minutes later, I pop up periscope and start my routine. Bearing - mark! Range - mark! nationality... Down scope prepare to surface, prepare to surface, all ahead 2/3s blow main ballast, give me a rise on those planes, flood negative, pressure in the boat... Battlestations secure... Imagine the frustration on shadowing an own taskforce.... Friend or Foe my *^^!!! I mean how do I know these are friendlies? Realistic yeah, but I even opened up the map and moved mouse over AO, no reports received or faded about a US TF. W----- T------ F????? __________________ x.com/lexatnews

05-24-11, 12:09 PM	#4
Dogfish40 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: LA Area, Central coast, California Posts: 1,023 Downloads: 827 Uploads: 0	Hey Solo,...There you are! Yeah, we've been talking about all kinds of visibility problems and mine the past week was heavy fog. Since I don't peek I couldn't see the dang flags. Oh...they were there, you could make out the ships outline but the fog obscured all detail. Anyway, I'm glad you didn't fire a salvo. It would be awful to get three sunk and then realise your going in front of a firing squad... Good Hunting! D40 __________________ *Dogfish40*

05-25-11, 11:13 AM	#11
WernherVonTrapp Admiral Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Now, alot farther from NYC. Posts: 2,228 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	The worst things I ever did was to sink a French merchant vessel (heavy fog) and a neutral Sampan (dumb luck). There are two websites that I use (once in a while) for quick reference. One site lists 1 sub (Seawolf) as lost to friendly fire, the other lists 2 subs (Seawolf, Dorado) lost to friendly fire. http://www.subsowespac.org/united-st...d-war-ii.shtml http://www.valoratsea.com/losses1.htm I'm not sure of how accurate or up to date the stats are on these pages. __________________ "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -Miyamoto Musashi ------------------------------------------------------- "What is truth?" -Pontius Pilate

05-26-11, 11:48 AM	#14
commandosolo2009 Grey Wolf Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Egypt Posts: 840 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	it was on a clear afternoon and I also confirmed nationality by looking at other ships... One was a Flower Corvette. I'm sad I spent some gas over this, but at the same time, happy I didn't commit a blue on blue.. __________________ x.com/lexatnews

05-24-11, 09:11 AM	#2
Aviv Electrician's Mate Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Israel Posts: 132 Downloads: 237 Uploads: 0	Haha before I've done the opposite.. A big group of contacts straight ahead of me. I decided they shouldn't be Japanese because we are so close to some friendly ports. It's clear with no wind and I stay surfaced. Of course it's just my luck that I run into the Japanese destroyer escort! Fortunately I could dive deep enough and it didn't cause much problems, but I still wasted an attack on a TF.

05-24-11, 10:25 AM	#3
Daniel Prates Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Curitiba, Brazil Posts: 938 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 0	It could have been worst. In poor visibility conditions, it was not impossible to have mistaken friendlies for foes. Imagine sinking the Yorktown by accident. Imagine coming back to port, all cheerful like, bragging to your commanding officer that you sank a CV... "oh you SOB so that was you!" Anyone knows of a real-life friendly-fire situations? Reagarding fleetboats, that is.

05-24-11, 08:32 PM	#6
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I do believe that one US sub was either lost or seriously damaged due to fratricide during WWII.Of course a few times US subs and aircraft also sank ships loaded with POWs but they could not have known because the Japanese did not mark transports when they where carrying POWs.The same could apply in an open war zone you could expect any naval vessel friend or foe to be dangerous(when the friend does not your present) they did have light coded challenges to try and avoid this also a US sub could "ping" a buddy but how can the buddy know that the japs did not deploy sonar and he is discovering it?

05-25-11, 10:53 AM	#10
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I sunk a US carrier once like this during my early play. Too far to see a flag and was the first US TF I'd ever seen, probably didn't think they existed in the game. I id'ed a "Fleet Carrier",,,figured it was JP and sent torps at it. I then ID'ed a Fletcher DD, I knew that was US..but the torps went crashing home and scratch one flattop... Oh well, it was stock then and I sunk several merchants later and still got a medal.