Youngest hitman, only 15

[the_tyrant]

A teenage hitman who was caught on CCTV shooting a young mother dead was jailed for life with a minimum term of 20 years at the Old Bailey today.

Santre Sanchez Gayle, 15, was paid just £200 to carry out the murder of Gulistan Subasi – a fee he used to buy a gold Dolce and Gabbana beanie hat.

The boy, known by the street name Riot, will spend at least two decades behind bars after being convicted of the cold-blooded murder, described by a Judge Stephen Kramer as 'an efficient, ruthless and calculated execution'.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1NMTCRVf4

[papa_smurf]

Saw this on evening news, absolutely shocking, but there is an alarming increase in gun/gang crime in central London.

[Feuer Frei!]

This crap makes me sick to the stomach!
Firstly, much much sadness goes out to that poor child that now has no mother.
Secondly, why the hell was the hit put on this woman?
Was it just a dare?
Regardless, once again, the big fish will get away, the person or people who gave the order for this abhorrant crime.
Not identified. I hope this 15-year old will give it up and name the trash that gave the order. Was this a random killing?

[CCIP]

Well, the suggestion is that her ex put the hit in for her, because he was afraid she'd take custody of the child.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

This crap makes me sick to the stomach!
Firstly, much much sadness goes out to that poor child that now has no mother.
Secondly, why the hell was the hit put on this woman?
Was it just a dare?
Regardless, once again, the big fish will get away, the person or people who gave the order for this abhorrant crime.
Not identified. I hope this 15-year old will give it up and name the trash that gave the order. Was this a random killing?

Hopefully when he's taking it up the tailpipe he'll work a better deal and give up the people.

Exactly. August is making a case against a point no one argues by twisting my words. And Steve seems to join him in doing so.

Only to a certain extent, he is perhaps taking a view that might be expressed by some extreme fringe of the brady bunch and dressing that up as a real arguement people are making, but that is like taking Fred Phelps as an example of mainstream christian theology.

Yes it is. In the past 10 years ive had my home broken into twice.

So you do live in fear.
Well so much for guns making you safe as surely in rural Tennesee people would expect every home to be armed so would never dream of taking a chance on a home invasion.
But if your gun is hidden from view behind the door do you think you can get a good shot in if you are going to be smashed in the face as soon as the door is cracked? After all you are going to have to look through the crack first ain't ya to see if you is supposed to be shooting or not.

I didn't address Darkfish. I supported August against your insipid diatribe.

as easy as 1,2,3

Nope, I say it helps to get *less* gun crime. Not that it *stops* gun crime.
Looks like someone had set up another false arguement
Darkfish, you will notice that augusts claims about gun control ands its aims are strawmen.
looks like somone points it out again.
Coming from the person who rarely posts any real arguments at all, just statements like this one.
looks like somone jumping in quoting me in relation to what Darkfish wrote.

So take it back a stage further.....
And nobody here says it does.
The point of gun control is to make it *harder* to get a gun and use it to shoot people. It's impossible to completely get rid of guns.
Is Darkfish saying august arguements are strawmen

And I specifically addressed the post in which you said nothing but nonsense.

Ah you mean the one where I took 3 of august arguements and had a laugh at his misrepresntations.

I honestly don't know

What do you think of Jumpys posts or Jims?
Jumpy has a good point, it was silly rushed legislation brought in after a couple of occasions when people who should already have been banned from holding firearms went mad, stupid populist knee jerk legislation.

a great many US gun-control advocates point to the UK as a shining example of how it should work

Which legislation are they pointing at ? England and wales, scotland or the 6. Are these people pointing at legislation they havn't got the faintest idea about?
Its funny really from another angle as many pro gun advocates point to Ireland as a really good example of the troubles caused when a country bans firearms. It matters not to them that the country hasn't banned firearms or that nearly all of the gun violence they are on about is in another state..... which also hasn't banned guns

which is what August addressed in his first post

Which was the first strawman. the aim is reduction as prevention is impossible

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is Darkfish saying august arguements are strawmen

Did I not say I wasn't addressing Darkfish? You keep trying to twist what I say to be what you want it to be about.

Ah you mean the one where I took 3 of august arguements and had a laugh at his misrepresntations.

Having a laugh is all well and good, but you attempted to do so by being rude and insulting rather than funny, and you failed.

What do you think of Jumpys posts or Jims?
Jumpy has a good point, it was silly rushed legislation brought in after a couple of occasions when people who should already have been banned from holding firearms went mad, stupid populist knee jerk legislation.

Irrelevant, as I was only addressing your attack. Even if you were right about August you stooped to mockery and insult rather than argument, which demeans you more than him. In a lot of cases your posts are intelligent and to the point, and I'm usually the one who defends you against charges of trolling. Not this time.

Which legislation are they pointing at ? England and wales, scotland or the 6. Are these people pointing at legislation they havn't got the faintest idea about?

That's the point. American gun-control advocates don't point to any legislation. They just point out that Britain has better gun control that the US, and they have a lower gun crime rate. The latter is true, and US gun-control people use it to show that we need better gun control. When something like this happens we on the other side tend to jump on it. Right? Wrong? Arguing points? Yes to all three, and discussion is a good thing. Trolling isn't.

Its funny really from another angle as many pro gun advocates point to Ireland as a really good example of the troubles caused when a country bans firearms. It matters not to them that the country hasn't banned firearms or that nearly all of the gun violence they are on about is in another state..... which also hasn't banned guns

So what are the gun laws in Ireland? England? I looked up a couple and they seem fairly restrictive by my standards, but while I have my beliefs I don't claim to know everything.

Which was the first strawman. the aim is reduction as prevention is impossible

And as I said before, not a strawman at all. We get told a lot here that if we only banned guns this kind of thing would be contained, "lessened" if you like. Of course when a 15-year-old obtains a gun illegally it makes me wonder who is truly responsible. In Los Angeles they like to claim that the gangs are better armed than the cops. True? I'm not sure. Part of the claim is that they have fully automatic weapons, which are difficult for anyone to obtain, let alone minors.

My bottom line is that I don't necessarily agree with August, and there is no one here, myself included, who has not posted the wrong thing in the wrong place. I'm not saying that happened here, but If you think so you're well withing your rights to say so. If you wanted to counter each of his points with the "strawman" claim I wouldn't have said anything. My problem wasn't with what you said, but how you said it. You may claim he doesn't deserve any better, but the rest of us certainly do. Your attack served no purpose other than to demean a fellow member, so I'm going to stand by my "Troll" comments.

[STEED]

Bring back Hanging.

You take a life you forfeit yours end of. I know it will not stop gun/knife crime but it will be a saving in money to the tax payer.

I know it will not stop gun/knife crime but it will be a saving in money to the tax payer.

Given your countries record on wrongful convictions you would have to have an even more long running and expensive appeals process than the Americans have so it would cost you much more to the tax payer not less.

[Hottentot]

Santre Sanchez Gayle, 15, was paid just £200 to carry out the murder of Gulistan Subasi – a fee he used to buy a gold Dolce and Gabbana beanie hat.

Words fail me. £200 for a human life and a kid, who will be (at least) 35 years old when he gets out of prison, probably with nothing to base his future life on (education, job, etc.) Even that hat is pretty worn out by then.

Waste.

[Skybird]

What are we shocked about? Is it really the age of the hitboy only? Or isn't it that it has happened amongst ourselves, in the middle of our living place?

In africa things like this happen almost every day in some countries. Boys 13 and 14 year olds not only shoot dead people and shoot in wars in which they have been taught to fight, but along with the older teens or young adult men stoned by drugs and testosteron mutilate and dismember helpless victims with machetes, even commit rape on mutilated women that they had cut of limbs or breasts themselves just seconds before. These conflicts often get encouraged and silenty supported by Western and Russian and Asian politics eyeing certain ressources, often rare ressouces needed for our hightech industries and that they hope to exploit more easily if the clan and civil wars continue or some evil faction dominates the conflict.

This hardly ever makes it to the news, and we comfortably refuse to take note of it, and when we boycott at least blood diamonds, we are thankful for the opportunity to have relieved our conscience. But when a young killer pops up in our homecountries, then suddenly we pretend "to care".

Do we really?

I think we really have to readjust our sensors.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by Skybird

What are we shocked about? Is it really the age of the hitboy only? Or isn't it that it has happened amongst ourselves, in the middle of our living place?

In africa things like this happen almost every day in some countries. Boys 13 and 14 year olds not only shoot dead people and shoot in wars in which they have been taught to fight, but along with the older teens or young adult men stoned by drugs and testosteron mutilate and dismember helpless victims with machetes, even commit rape on mutilated women that they had cut of limbs or breasts themselves just seconds before. These conflicts often get encouraged and silenty supported by Western and Russian and Asian politics eyeing certain ressources, often rare ressouces needed for our hightech industries and that they hope to exploit more easily if the clan and civil wars continue or some evil faction dominates the conflict.

This hardly ever makes it to the news, and we comfortably refuse to take note of it, and when we boycott at least blood diamonds, we are thankful for the opportunity to have relieved our conscience. But when a young killer pops up in our homecountries, then suddenly we pretend "to care".

Do we really?

I think we really have to readjust our sensors.

we see this quite often
NIMBY, or not in my backyard

its like how they are building that new power plant in my town, I don't care because its in the other side of town, but if its built near my house, I will be protesting too!

[August]

I thought gun control was supposed to prevent these things from happening.

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by August

I thought gun control was supposed to prevent these things from happening.

On the other hand, do you think that someone in that house owning a gun would've changed anything? This kind of attack isn't something you can defend from, really.