Monstrous

ABBAFAN · 05-12-11, 01:33 PM

An absolutely monstrous outrage...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gton-Pier.html

AVGWarhawk · 05-12-11, 02:21 PM

27 years? Probably close to retirement? Not sure how pension works for this transit company but it is possible the company was looking for anything to fire the guy so pension would not have to be paid?

Really, the reason for being dismissed is poor. He 'risked' his life to remove a cart to save a potential mess of many lives at risk with leaving the cart. My guess is he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

GoldenRivet · 05-12-11, 02:26 PM

what a shame.

sounds like a model employee.

AVGWarhawk · 05-12-11, 02:31 PM

Absolutely. The article states there are petitions being signed. In reality, who would want to return to a company that craps on you after 27 years of dedicated service...going above and beyond the call of duty at that!

magic452 · 05-12-11, 03:07 PM

There must be a system for him to check that the power was indeed turned off and he didn't follow procedures, a clear safety violation. He may have been killed or injured. That said I would believe that some form of written reprimand would be sufficient, unless there was a history of such behavior. I doubt that there was.

27 years pension was most likely the reason for the sack.
Hope he gets his job back and as soon as he does retires with full pension.

I saw the same thing happen at Lockheed many years ago to a janitor.
He wasn't the greatest worker in the world but at a place like Lockheed who is. He was 3 months form retirement. He got the job back and than retired.
There is something to be said for Unions in cases like this.

Magic

Oberon · 05-12-11, 03:37 PM

Yeah, I can see where the railway company is coming from, but it's not the stationmasters fault, he did request the juice be turned off...although if he didn't get confirmation that the juice was off then yeah it is a grey area, some 660 - 700 volts running through the third rail, and since most shopping trolleys are made of metal then it's not a good combination. In regards to preventing a major accident...well...I'm not quite so sure, Lymington Pier is at the end of the Lymington branch, so the train would have been slowing to stop at the end of the line, either that or the signalman would have been able to flag the train down and/or use detonators to warn the driver of a problem ahead. I'm not sure of the signalling arrangements of the Lymington branch, I think it is single line so there's probably not much in the way of signalling on it as it is not needed, probably done through a token system.

However, sacking someone for acting on their own initiative only serves to stifle such creative talents as Mr Falettos. It's rare...no...virtually non-existent to find a well kept station and a station-master who is not only proud in his work but who embraces the heritage of the railway (with the old 1960s station boards) and now that the station is unmanned it will no doubt decay and be vandalised just like all the other unmanned stations on the network. The death of the station-master in the United Kingdom has meant a drastic decay in the quality of the average station as well as a rise in vandalism on the network and it is a terrible shame. Therefore, I'm glad to see the campaign to give Mr Faletto his job back and I think that he should get it back.

Platapus · 05-12-11, 05:57 PM

As always in cases like this, I wonder if there is not more to the story.

It just does not make sense. He saw an obstruction, had the power killed, wore protective shoes and removed the obstruction.

What safety rules did he violate?

What is the "approved" procedure that he "should" have followed?

PS: from the BBC sites, it appears that the violation was not confirming that the power was turned off. A safety violation. But enough of a violation to fire the person?

05-12-11, 06:23 PM

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He 'risked' his life to remove a cart to save a potential mess of many lives at risk with leaving the cart.

How did he risk his life to potentialy save many lives?
Once the signalman was informed of the obstruction no trains should be going there so no other lives were at risk.

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What safety rules did he violate?

Well for starters he didn't check the power was off, secondly it appears he worked alone and had no warning system set up for working on a track.

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27 years pension was most likely the reason for the sack.

Probably, Stagecoach have always had a reputation of trying to get rid of workers they inherited.

jumpy · 05-13-11, 06:58 AM

Initiative is punished in this country. More so than mean spirited jobsworth ignorance ought to be.

Most employers don't give a ---- for their staff, be they exemplary or just mediocre. The people who run the trains are a paragon of this bull---- employer attitude.

AVGWarhawk · 05-13-11, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

How did he risk his life to potentialy save many lives?
Once the signalman was informed of the obstruction no trains should be going there so no other lives were at risk.

Well for starters he didn't check the power was off, secondly it appears he worked alone and had no warning system set up for working on a track.

Probably, Stagecoach have always had a reputation of trying to get rid of workers they inherited.

Tribesman is right. I think they should have hung the guy by the neck until dead...then burned him at the stake.

STEED · 05-13-11, 10:14 AM

Daily Mail has a habit of editing the facts to suit there newspaper.

The rail network here was privatised under Margaret Thatcher back in the 1980's. One company owns the tracks, another the stations, another the rolling stock and the list just goes on. One sure fact is this, we are being ripped off by these jokers who cream it.

In the case of the story there is bound to be a few company's involved.

Jimbuna · 05-13-11, 11:31 AM

I think the answer/reason for his dismissal lies in Oberons #6

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and now that the station is unmanned

Perhaps the company saw this as the cheapest/quickest option of cutting costs and getting what they wanted.

If so.......not a nice way to go about doing ones business

Oberon · 05-13-11, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I think the answer/reason for his dismissal lies in Oberons #6

Perhaps the company saw this as the cheapest/quickest option of cutting costs and getting what they wanted.

If so.......not a nice way to go about doing ones business

That would not surprise me Jim.

Bring Back

AVGWarhawk · 05-13-11, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I think the answer/reason for his dismissal lies in Oberons #6

Perhaps the company saw this as the cheapest/quickest option of cutting costs and getting what they wanted.

If so.......not a nice way to go about doing ones business

I said same. In the US there are laws against this but management will find way to fire those getting close to retirement and are garnishing a good wage where someone else would do the job for much less. Can't fight it because the management will find something and or make it very tough for the employee to meet quotas. It is a really cute game.

STEED · 05-13-11, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Bring Back

Too damn right.

05-12-11, 01:33 PM	#1
ABBAFAN Commander Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 456 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Monstrous An absolutely monstrous outrage... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gton-Pier.html __________________ CHOOSE RFA! LESS GRAFT, MORE PAY.

05-12-11, 02:21 PM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	27 years? Probably close to retirement? Not sure how pension works for this transit company but it is possible the company was looking for anything to fire the guy so pension would not have to be paid? Really, the reason for being dismissed is poor. He 'risked' his life to remove a cart to save a potential mess of many lives at risk with leaving the cart. My guess is he was damned if he did and damned if he didn't. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	what a shame. sounds like a model employee. __________________

05-12-11, 02:31 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Absolutely. The article states there are petitions being signed. In reality, who would want to return to a company that craps on you after 27 years of dedicated service...going above and beyond the call of duty at that! __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

05-12-11, 03:07 PM	#5
magic452 Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Reno Nevada USA Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	There must be a system for him to check that the power was indeed turned off and he didn't follow procedures, a clear safety violation. He may have been killed or injured. That said I would believe that some form of written reprimand would be sufficient, unless there was a history of such behavior. I doubt that there was. 27 years pension was most likely the reason for the sack. Hope he gets his job back and as soon as he does retires with full pension. I saw the same thing happen at Lockheed many years ago to a janitor. He wasn't the greatest worker in the world but at a place like Lockheed who is. He was 3 months form retirement. He got the job back and than retired. There is something to be said for Unions in cases like this. Magic __________________ Reported lost 11 Feb. 1942 Signature by depthtok33l

05-12-11, 03:37 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Yeah, I can see where the railway company is coming from, but it's not the stationmasters fault, he did request the juice be turned off...although if he didn't get confirmation that the juice was off then yeah it is a grey area, some 660 - 700 volts running through the third rail, and since most shopping trolleys are made of metal then it's not a good combination. In regards to preventing a major accident...well...I'm not quite so sure, Lymington Pier is at the end of the Lymington branch, so the train would have been slowing to stop at the end of the line, either that or the signalman would have been able to flag the train down and/or use detonators to warn the driver of a problem ahead. I'm not sure of the signalling arrangements of the Lymington branch, I think it is single line so there's probably not much in the way of signalling on it as it is not needed, probably done through a token system. However, sacking someone for acting on their own initiative only serves to stifle such creative talents as Mr Falettos. It's rare...no...virtually non-existent to find a well kept station and a station-master who is not only proud in his work but who embraces the heritage of the railway (with the old 1960s station boards) and now that the station is unmanned it will no doubt decay and be vandalised just like all the other unmanned stations on the network. The death of the station-master in the United Kingdom has meant a drastic decay in the quality of the average station as well as a rise in vandalism on the network and it is a terrible shame. Therefore, I'm glad to see the campaign to give Mr Faletto his job back and I think that he should get it back.

05-12-11, 05:57 PM	#7
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	As always in cases like this, I wonder if there is not more to the story. It just does not make sense. He saw an obstruction, had the power killed, wore protective shoes and removed the obstruction. What safety rules did he violate? What is the "approved" procedure that he "should" have followed? PS: from the BBC sites, it appears that the violation was not confirming that the power was turned off. A safety violation. But enough of a violation to fire the person? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

05-13-11, 06:58 AM	#9
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Initiative is punished in this country. More so than mean spirited jobsworth ignorance ought to be. Most employers don't give a ---- for their staff, be they exemplary or just mediocre. The people who run the trains are a paragon of this bull---- employer attitude. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

05-13-11, 10:14 AM	#11
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Daily Mail has a habit of editing the facts to suit there newspaper. The rail network here was privatised under Margaret Thatcher back in the 1980's. One company owns the tracks, another the stations, another the rolling stock and the list just goes on. One sure fact is this, we are being ripped off by these jokers who cream it. In the case of the story there is bound to be a few company's involved. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!