Where do i stand politicaly.

Seth8530 · 05-06-11, 01:36 PM

Hey, ive grown up my whole life thinking im a republican. But now im starting to wonder, all of my conservative friends are starting to sound downright stupid to me. So where do my political alliance lie?

I believe in:
Minimal gun control (Ie. buying ages, tracking numbs, but keep guns very available)

Abortion is a choice because no one can philosophically prove whether a fetus is a life or not.

Legalize Marijuana, its really not that harm full and would be a soccer punch in the gut to gangs around the nation.

Gay marriage should be legal because it shouldn't be the governments business what people decide to do with their lives.

Mandatory health insurance is wrong! Government shouldn't be able to force anyone to buy health insurance!

Our health care system is broken and way to expensive and we must find a way to drive prices down without crushing the incentive to become an excellent health care practitioner.

Our government gives out way too many hand outs, food stamps should exist, well fare should exist to an extent, but by god we cant have people living off of this sh!t forever.

The gap between the rich and poor is growing to steep. If we are not careful we will become willing slaves to the men in suits. Corporate America is destroying the rest of America.

Social security should not be a retirement fund.

The government is way to tough on small business and insist on taxing the Pi$$ out of us.

We should seal our border to the south. and have a passive deportation policy for the illegals already in our country ( ie, if they are found at a crime scene or sent to court we should deport them)

We should have more financial incentives for middle class people to go to college.. If someone my age and is poor wants to go to college but didnt do jack in HS they can go to college nearly for free. But someone like me who worked my arse off in HS and comes from a middle class family who refuses to pay for any of my college gets slapped with massive amounts of loans for tuition and housing.

I also support lowering the drinking age down to 14 with a parent and 16 when alone. One of the most dangerous things in the world is a college student who gets his first go at alcohol without any of the social training that should go with it.

AVGWarhawk · 05-06-11, 01:57 PM

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Minimal gun control (Ie. buying ages, tracking numbs, but keep guns very available)

Control is mimimal. You can get one at Walmart.

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Abortion is a choice because no one can philosophically prove whether a fetus is a life or not.

This is an entirely different thread that can stand on it's own. Can it be proved medically?

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Legalize Marijuana, its really not that harm full and would be a soccer punch in the gut to gangs around the nation.

Yes, this will help with the broken medical system you speak of. More lung cancer!

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Gay marriage should be legal because it shouldn't be the governments business what people decide to do with their lives.

I agree.

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Mandatory health insurance is wrong! Government shouldn't be able to force anyone to buy health insurance!

Correct! It's illegal to do so.

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Our health care system is broken and way to expensive and we must find a way to drive prices down without crushing the incentive to become an excellent health care practitioner.

Yes it is. Current administration throws money at it hoping it will go away. Drive prices down...start with tort reform.

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Our government gives out way too many hand outs, food stamps should exist, well fare should exist to an extent, but by god we cant have people living off of this sh!t forever.

Nothing new here. People do make a living living off the gov't.

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The gap between the rich and poor is growing to steep. If we are not careful we will become willing slaves to the men in suits. Corporate America is destroying the rest of America.

It already has done this....about two years ago. The haves and the have nots.

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Social security should not be a retirement fund.

It really was not sold to the general public as a retirement fund.

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We should seal our border to the south. and have a passive deportation policy for the illegals already in our country ( ie, if they are found at a crime scene or sent to court we should deport them)

I agree.

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We should have more financial incentives for middle class people to go to college.. If someone my age and is poor wants to go to college but didnt do jack in HS they can go to college nearly for free. But someone like me who worked my arse off in HS and comes from a middle class family who refuses to pay for any of my college gets slapped with massive amounts of loans for tuition and housing.

In the state of MD there are moves to pass a bill to provide instate tuition to illegals. Great! My two kids get possibly screwed because an illegal filled a spot for instate tuition.

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I also support lowering the drinking age down to 14 with a parent and 16 when alone. One of the most dangerous things in the world is a college student who gets his first go at alcohol without any of the social training that should go with it.

I think 14 is to irresponsible an age. Practice not drinking. Much better for the liver.

You sound Conservative to me.

Oberon · 05-06-11, 01:57 PM

Centrist?

Try this:

http://www.politicalcompass.org/

Platapus · 05-06-11, 02:00 PM

At one time you may have been a Republican. But perhaps the party changed and not you?

I was a Republican all my life coming from a family of Republicans. In the past 20 years or so, the GOP has changed and changed in a way that no longer agrees with my opinions.

Hence, I am now an Independent.

CCIP · 05-06-11, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

At one time you may have been a Republican. But perhaps the party changed and not you?

I was a Republican all my life coming from a family of Republicans. In the past 20 years or so, the GOP has changed and changed in a way that no longer agrees with my opinions.

Hence, I am now an Independent.

Yeah, you're not the first person I hear this from. Quite a difference between traditional conservatives and neo-conservatives. Sadly the neocon brand is easy to market to corporate america...

AVGWarhawk · 05-06-11, 02:23 PM

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But perhaps the party changed and not you

Good point. Sometimes one wonders what the flavor of the week is!

Takeda Shingen · 05-06-11, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

At one time you may have been a Republican. But perhaps the party changed and not you?

I was a Republican all my life coming from a family of Republicans. In the past 20 years or so, the GOP has changed and changed in a way that no longer agrees with my opinions.

Hence, I am now an Independent.

^^ This echoes my story almost exactly.

Armistead · 05-06-11, 02:39 PM

Just watching the news, corportate CEO's now make more than than they did in the 2007 booming economy due to increased profit. They say this is attributed to less employees, not increasing wages down and cutting benefits.

And they need a tax cut, better profits than when in a booming economy, paying a worse wage, layoffs, etc....

Good old trickle down economics.

UnderseaLcpl · 05-06-11, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

At one time you may have been a Republican. But perhaps the party changed and not you?

I was a Republican all my life coming from a family of Republicans. In the past 20 years or so, the GOP has changed and changed in a way that no longer agrees with my opinions.

Hence, I am now an Independent.

I don't see how the GOP has undergone any kind of fundamental change in the past 20 years that would isolate its traditional base, save the comparatively recent Tea-Party movement, which is shifting it more to economic right. Indeed, one of the driving factors behind the Tea Party is disillusionment with the Republican economic platform, which has failed to be conservative in everything other than name for the better part of a century.

Betonov · 05-06-11, 02:59 PM

What would be the term when you're against both poles (left/right)??

Anarcho-liberal, freelance centrist ??

Growler · 05-06-11, 03:14 PM

Where do I stand politically... hmm...

I'd have to say...

... over a toilet bowl, retching.

AVGWarhawk · 05-06-11, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

Where do I stand politically... hmm...

I'd have to say...

... over a toilet bowl, retching.

No, no...not what you do after hosting a intergalactic kegger...

Ducimus · 05-06-11, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

At one time you may have been a Republican. But perhaps the party changed and not you?

I was a Republican all my life coming from a family of Republicans. In the past 20 years or so, the GOP has changed and changed in a way that no longer agrees with my opinions.

Hence, I am now an Independent.

Plat, you also described me to a T.

frau kaleun · 05-06-11, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

I don't see how the GOP has undergone any kind of fundamental change in the past 20 years

In the last 20 years? Maybe not. But I think the overt pandering to the religious right started right up around the time the Moral Majority came to prominence. They've been making hay with that crowd by openly promoting or at least pretending not to disagree with an anti-gay, anti-choice, quasi-Dominionist agenda ever since.

And yes I say pandering, because IMO most of the Powers That Be in the GOP couldn't care less about the religious right's agenda beyond doing what it takes to get their votes on election day.

UnderseaLcpl · 05-06-11, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

In the last 20 years? Maybe not. But I think the overt pandering to the religious right started right up around the time the Moral Majority came to prominence. They've been making hay with that crowd by openly promoting or at least pretending not to disagree with an anti-gay, anti-choice, quasi-Dominionist agenda ever since.

Agreed, and also unsurprising. They're just doing exactly what we designed them to do, which is to garner a majority of votes.

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And yes I say pandering, because IMO most of the Powers That Be in the GOP couldn't care less about the religious right's agenda beyond doing what it takes to get their votes on election day.

Preaching to the choir, my friend. It was a lovely sermon, though, and decidedly more tolerable and succinct than most.

05-06-11, 01:36 PM	#1
Seth8530 Captain Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tennessee Posts: 546 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Where do i stand politicaly. Hey, ive grown up my whole life thinking im a republican. But now im starting to wonder, all of my conservative friends are starting to sound downright stupid to me. So where do my political alliance lie? I believe in: Minimal gun control (Ie. buying ages, tracking numbs, but keep guns very available) Abortion is a choice because no one can philosophically prove whether a fetus is a life or not. Legalize Marijuana, its really not that harm full and would be a soccer punch in the gut to gangs around the nation. Gay marriage should be legal because it shouldn't be the governments business what people decide to do with their lives. Mandatory health insurance is wrong! Government shouldn't be able to force anyone to buy health insurance! Our health care system is broken and way to expensive and we must find a way to drive prices down without crushing the incentive to become an excellent health care practitioner. Our government gives out way too many hand outs, food stamps should exist, well fare should exist to an extent, but by god we cant have people living off of this sh!t forever. The gap between the rich and poor is growing to steep. If we are not careful we will become willing slaves to the men in suits. Corporate America is destroying the rest of America. Social security should not be a retirement fund. The government is way to tough on small business and insist on taxing the Pi$$ out of us. We should seal our border to the south. and have a passive deportation policy for the illegals already in our country ( ie, if they are found at a crime scene or sent to court we should deport them) We should have more financial incentives for middle class people to go to college.. If someone my age and is poor wants to go to college but didnt do jack in HS they can go to college nearly for free. But someone like me who worked my arse off in HS and comes from a middle class family who refuses to pay for any of my college gets slapped with massive amounts of loans for tuition and housing. I also support lowering the drinking age down to 14 with a parent and 16 when alone. One of the most dangerous things in the world is a college student who gets his first go at alcohol without any of the social training that should go with it. __________________

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	At one time you may have been a Republican. But perhaps the party changed and not you? I was a Republican all my life coming from a family of Republicans. In the past 20 years or so, the GOP has changed and changed in a way that no longer agrees with my opinions. Hence, I am now an Independent. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Where do I stand politically... hmm... I'd have to say... ... over a toilet bowl, retching. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Centrist? Try this: http://www.politicalcompass.org/

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Just watching the news, corportate CEO's now make more than than they did in the 2007 booming economy due to increased profit. They say this is attributed to less employees, not increasing wages down and cutting benefits. And they need a tax cut, better profits than when in a booming economy, paying a worse wage, layoffs, etc.... Good old trickle down economics.

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Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	What would be the term when you're against both poles (left/right)?? Anarcho-liberal, freelance centrist ??