Former German ministre star falls over plagiat

Skybird · 05-07-11, 05:07 AM

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...761181,00.html

Known since long, it now is official. The university has officially concluded and accused ex-minister Guttenberg how having massively plagiarized in his paper earning him the doctor honour. The university this week has published the official analysis of the committee assessing the case.

Guttenberg until today denies the charges, and even tried legal steps to gag the university and prevent it from poublishing the report. Under pressure from Merkel and others, he gave it up.

Wer einmal lügt, dem traut man nicht. Not so in politics. Guttenberg still is being seen as the futrure great hope of Merkel'S union. And German people are dumb enough to poll by majority that they consider his betrayal as unimportant an meaningless enough so that most want him back.

Gerald · 05-07-11, 05:12 AM

Sky you or I did that record, no past, or

Skybird · 05-07-11, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

Sky you or I did that record, no past, or

W-what...?

No offence meant (my English isn't perfect as well, so ain't my fast-typing), but sometimes you shuffle the words so much that I do not get a single clue of what you mean. But then it sounds funny at least.

Gerald · 05-07-11, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

W-what...?

No offence meant (my English isn't perfect as well, so ain't my fast-typing), but sometimes you shuffle the words so much that I do not get a single clue of what you mean. But then it sounds funny at least.

Well I just mentioned that either you or I posted this story before .... or it is an unusual high level of innovation drought in Europe today,

Schroeder · 05-07-11, 06:03 AM

@Vendor
Yes, the story has been up before but now the final results of the investigation have been made public.

Gerald · 05-07-11, 06:07 AM

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@Vendor
Yes, the story has been up before but now the final results of the investigation have been made public.

Thanks, I knew there was something behind the door ... then I was not completely wrong, which would be unique in this case,

joea · 05-07-11, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Wer einmal lügt, dem traut man nicht. Not so in politics. Guttenberg still is being seen as the futrure great hope of Merkel'S union. And German people are dumb enough to poll by majority that they consider his betrayal as unimportant an meaningless enough so that most want him back.

Seriously? That means Germans are as dumb as Canadians (voting for a government that perjured itself, not that they had a great choice of parties) and Americans?

Gerald · 05-07-11, 06:40 AM

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Seriously? That means Germans are as dumb as Canadians (voting for a government that perjured itself, not that they had a great choice of parties) and Americans?

Wow, that was really straightforward,

while there is substance in what you say

Platapus · 05-07-11, 07:15 AM

Well The Frau is a instructor teaching at two colleges. The rampant plagiarism that is going on seems to indicate that a large group of people think it is acceptable.

Couple that with the larger number of people not in academia who probably don't really care about plagiarism and you can get a pretty sizable percentage of the population who would think like this.

Schroeder · 05-07-11, 11:08 AM

@Platapus
That's pi$$ing (sorry Steve, it had to be

) me off to no end as well. Most people who have no academic degree have no idea what it means to write a thesis or some other paper using scientific standards. That's nothing you do in the meantime when you feel like it! It is really hard work and when some clown just comes by and does a copy paste job and the general population doesn't seem to care then this is really frustrating for everyone with an honest degree (no, I'm no doctor, just a Diplomkaufmann / business graduate). Another nice side effect is that now everyone assumes that every academic is working like that and that it hardly takes any effort or skill to get a degree.

Torplexed · 05-07-11, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Well The Frau is a instructor teaching at two colleges. The rampant plagiarism that is going on seems to indicate that a large group of people think it is acceptable.

Hardly surprising when the formula in most high schools nowdays is Copy & Paste + Edit(maybe) = DONE HOMEWORK. Given the lack of originality, future teachers may find their own biology report from ten years earlier staring back at them someday when they grade homework.

Platapus · 05-07-11, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

Hardly surprising when the formula in most high schools nowdays is Copy & Paste + Edit(maybe) = DONE HOMEWORK. Given the lack of originality, future teachers may find their own biology report from ten years earlier staring back at them someday when they grade homework.

Or in a job interview

True story

The Frau used to work for Company X as a documentation manager. Fast forward a few years and now she is working for Company Y.... and interviewing prospective employees.

Enter this dummy who wants a job. Seems he works for Company X as a documentation manager... When The Frau asked him for a sample of his work, he gave her a document SHE wrote while at company X and claimed it was his. He did not even update it.

OOps

Bad luck dude.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Former German ministre star falls over plagiat http://www.spiegel.de/international/...761181,00.html Known since long, it now is official. The university has officially concluded and accused ex-minister Guttenberg how having massively plagiarized in his paper earning him the doctor honour. The university this week has published the official analysis of the committee assessing the case. Guttenberg until today denies the charges, and even tried legal steps to gag the university and prevent it from poublishing the report. Under pressure from Merkel and others, he gave it up. Wer einmal lügt, dem traut man nicht. Not so in politics. Guttenberg still is being seen as the futrure great hope of Merkel'S union. And German people are dumb enough to poll by majority that they consider his betrayal as unimportant an meaningless enough so that most want him back. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Well The Frau is a instructor teaching at two colleges. The rampant plagiarism that is going on seems to indicate that a large group of people think it is acceptable. Couple that with the larger number of people not in academia who probably don't really care about plagiarism and you can get a pretty sizable percentage of the population who would think like this. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	@Platapus That's pi$$ing (sorry Steve, it had to be) me off to no end as well. Most people who have no academic degree have no idea what it means to write a thesis or some other paper using scientific standards. That's nothing you do in the meantime when you feel like it! It is really hard work and when some clown just comes by and does a copy paste job and the general population doesn't seem to care then this is really frustrating for everyone with an honest degree (no, I'm no doctor, just a Diplomkaufmann / business graduate). Another nice side effect is that now everyone assumes that every academic is working like that and that it hardly takes any effort or skill to get a degree. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.