Utah - Home of the M1911

Oberon · 03-18-11, 08:36 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12792633

Got to admit, firearm glorification or not, I can't disagree with this, the M1911 is to the pistol what the AK47 is to the MG IMHO.

So, here's to you Mr Browning.

Gerald · 03-18-11, 08:44 PM

"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing." -Helen Keller

Gargamel · 03-20-11, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing." -Helen Keller

While I respect that quote, I gotta admit, to her, Avoiding danger was missing the couch in the morning.

Anyways....

to the M1911

Ducimus · 03-18-11, 08:45 PM

I do plan on owning a 1911, and I do plan on moving to Utah.... i should fit right in!

Seriously though, few things are as uniquely American as that sidearm.

Gerald · 03-18-11, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I do plan on owning a 1911, and I do plan on moving to Utah.... i should fit right in!

Seriously though, few things are as uniquely American as that sidearm.

Great,then you're closer to Steve's gigs

btw,I prefer the Glock in the end

Oberon · 03-18-11, 08:59 PM

Glock is awesome, very modern and you'll probably find that it carries elements from the M1911. The Semi-Automatic pistol started with the Mauser C96, but then Browning took in the M1900, then the Hi-Power and then the M1911 which is still in service today. That's a hundred years with very little change to the original design. That's a classic alright.

Ducimus · 03-18-11, 09:07 PM

The Model 1911 has history and tradition behind it; Glock's plastic pistol doesn't.

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Sorry, can't resist:

Gerald · 03-18-11, 09:23 PM

Certainly, not Glock same history and tradition that in 1911, but in terms of endurance and trusted and that it then is constructed of carbon fiber, which is not the same as "plastic", in situations where the case, then I think that history and tradition are not are essential, in real-life situation

Platapus · 03-18-11, 09:37 PM

I spy with my little eye a nit that needs to be picked.

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Originally Posted by Oberon

the M1911 is to the pistol what the AK47 is to the MG IMHO.

AK 47 is not a machine gun.

The AK 47 is an Assault Rifle

Where ever there is a nit to be picked, I will be there.

Ducimus · 03-18-11, 09:40 PM

Vendor, your missing the point.

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then I think that history and tradition are not are essential, in real-life situation

Despite your missing the point, you do realize that the Model 1911 has served in WW1, WW2, The Korean War, and Vietnam? That's a history that is essential, because if it wasn't a damn good sidearm, it wouldn't have been in service for so long. You can't get much more of a "real life" situation then 4 damn wars.

Gerald · 03-18-11, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Vendor, your missing the point.

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Despite your missing the point, you do realize that the Model 1911 has served in WW1, WW2, The Korean War, and Vietnam? That's a history that is essential, because if it wasn't a damn good sidearm, it wouldn't have been in service for so long. You can't get much more of a "real life" situation then 4 damn wars.

I have never claimed that 1911 is bad or anything negative, I am well aware of its extent in different wars, but you should keep in mind that you can not just rely on history, that I mentioned Glock, is that I personally think it's good then I could have said Crossman, Baretta Elite 2 etc, the state of the world shifts fairly rapidly, as you know

Oberon · 03-19-11, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I spy with my little eye a nit that needs to be picked.

AK 47 is not a machine gun.

The AK 47 is an Assault Rifle

Where ever there is a nit to be picked, I will be there.

You know originally I wrote SMG, then I looked it up and thought, no...the AK47 is not an SMG so it must be an MG...

UnderseaLcpl · 03-19-11, 08:16 AM

Speaking of SMGs......

While the M1911 is a fine weapon and I agree with TorpX that the M9(Beretta 92F) is a poor replacement, I still have no idea why we didn't replace pistols with SMGs in US military service a long time ago. Pistols are very inflexible weapons that require a lot of training to use effectively in close combat, which is the only time one would ever use them.

Penguin · 03-19-11, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Speaking of SMGs......

While the M1911 is a fine weapon and I agree with TorpX that the M9(Beretta 92F) is a poor replacement, I still have no idea why we didn't replace pistols with SMGs in US military service a long time ago. Pistols are very inflexible weapons that require a lot of training to use effectively in close combat, which is the only time one would ever use them.

Well a full-sized SMG would be too inflexible, but I guess you're more thinking about something like a PDW.
The reasons for that are probably only of financial nature - and the stockpile of pistols still in the arsenals.

Platapus · 03-19-11, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

I still have no idea why we didn't replace pistols with SMGs in US military service a long time ago.

Well, think about the requirements for a side arm.

One of them is the ability to be carried easily and with little encumbrance. Since the sidearm is a weapon of last resort, most of the time it is in the holster.

I would also opine that with the average amount of training that our military gets, a SMG would probably be more hazardous than a side arm.

Just go to any clearing barrel on a military base, look under it and count the holes caused by weapons that were unloaded.

03-18-11, 08:36 PM	#1
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Utah - Home of the M1911 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12792633 Got to admit, firearm glorification or not, I can't disagree with this, the M1911 is to the pistol what the AK47 is to the MG IMHO. So, here's to you Mr Browning.

03-18-11, 08:44 PM	#2
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	"Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure. Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing." -Helen Keller __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Certainly, not Glock same history and tradition that in 1911, but in terms of endurance and trusted and that it then is constructed of carbon fiber, which is not the same as "plastic", in situations where the case, then I think that history and tradition are not are essential, in real-life situation __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Speaking of SMGs...... While the M1911 is a fine weapon and I agree with TorpX that the M9(Beretta 92F) is a poor replacement, I still have no idea why we didn't replace pistols with SMGs in US military service a long time ago. Pistols are very inflexible weapons that require a lot of training to use effectively in close combat, which is the only time one would ever use them. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I do plan on owning a 1911, and I do plan on moving to Utah.... i should fit right in! Seriously though, few things are as uniquely American as that sidearm.

03-18-11, 08:59 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Glock is awesome, very modern and you'll probably find that it carries elements from the M1911. The Semi-Automatic pistol started with the Mauser C96, but then Browning took in the M1900, then the Hi-Power and then the M1911 which is still in service today. That's a hundred years with very little change to the original design. That's a classic alright.

03-18-11, 09:07 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The Model 1911 has history and tradition behind it; Glock's plastic pistol doesn't. edit: Sorry, can't resist: