'Fix My SH5' Issue Compilation Thread

Takeda Shingen · 07-10-10, 10:09 AM

Here is the thread for issue compilation regarding Silent Hunter 5. This thread is intended to list the features in the game requiring attention in a manner that is easily digestible for the company and development officials. Post below and I will compile in information here in the first post of the thread, which will relieve the afforementioned parties of the need to search through hundreds of pages of text.

Understand that this thread is for constructive puproses only. Rants, fits and anything that does not serve the ends of game improvement will be deleted without warning.

Finally, please be specific. Don't just say that the AI is broken. What specifically is broken? 'AI ASDIC is able to detect surfaced submarine at 30nmi' is a far more valid observation. If we want our concerns to be taken seriously, and want to cut through the noise of idle complaining, we will have to be very thorough in our work. Along those lines, if you feel that any of the included items are in error, by all means feel free to question and discuss it.

AI and Game Object/Mechanics Issues

Q Ship AI data incomplete
Ships not saving their damage when saving, so they are at full health when a game is re-loaded
Cannot use ladders if looking up
Sonarman doesn't report any contacts
Obs scope always raises itself when starting a mission
Stadimeter: Sends the default mast Height of 20m instead of the actual height in cfg files
Deck Gun Crew will fire on a new target after the current target is destroyed of their own accord (fire at will enabled permanently)
When dragging the waypoint on the navmap of TUI, dragging over a ship makes the waypoint stick to the ship
Stock AI will ignore you, unless you are definately classified as a Submarine contact. Unknown contacts will be ignored
You can be assigned to a new base, without being radioed about it
TDC gets out of synch if you train the torpedo speed special ability
Incorrect types of AI recon planes flying at night
Occasionally either a friendly or enemy unit will get 'attached' to you and follow you everywhere
Sonar man does not warn about depth charges being dropped
The crew AI 20mm AA gunners aim far too low to hit any aircraft
Task force presence fails to drop player from time compression
Some ships cannot be heard if they go slower than 6 knots
TDC's speed entry is rounded to a whole number, instead of letting us put in 5.5 knots etcetera
Engine tuning resets to zero after diving and surfacing. E.G> before diving you can make 20 knots, but after surfacing, you can only make 15 knots
Ships take no damage from the fires on them
Ye Olde Co2 bug, where the Co2 keeps rising, although you are surfaced
Reports of enemy ships being spawned in the Kiel Canal, or trying to transit up it
Torpdo autoloading option not saved as part of a game save, so you have to turn it back on each time
AI Torpedo planes do not enter into an attack run
AI air dropped torpedoes are dead and sink, instead of running
AI Torpedo planes even if fixed cannot aim ahead of a target and will usually miss
Moving external torpedo to internal stores takes only one minute
Starshells are not fired by the AI. When scripted to fire, they neither illuminate the area or enhance the DDs visual range
If you load a saved game without the game having focus (currently active window in Windows) then the player's U-Boat will steam in circles, instead of following waypoints
Problems with the magnetic detonators, even with duds turned off
Can't get through internal hatches into another compartment if the boat is in a steep dive or climb
AI wolfpacks sail too close to convoys and fail to attack
When TDC is on and you use the stadimeter, the AOB is always reset from the value you had input
Contact Detected function of all AI is broken
Depth setting on magnetic warheads is incorrect
Increased torpedo speed results in bugged gyro settings
Occasional problems docking in-base
Cannot man or un-man deck gun

Cosmetic Issues

Requires Kriegsmarine map grid
Requires Kriegsmarine Stadimeter
The radio room is lacking all labels, including those on the radar
The two communication tubes in the command room are transparent
Gauge labels are incorrect
Crew turn their backs on you when you click on them to talk, then they turn to face you again
Crew on the conning tower whilst underwater after a loading a game
Crewman near the UZO will point at nothing every now and again
Torpedoes are absent from the torpedo room, if you have them and appear when you have none left
The torpedo reload action gets out of synch if you train reload speed ability
Sub will hover above the sea bed, rather than sitting on it
Internal model of the Radar set is installed, even if radar is not installed on the boat, which causes confusion
Interior dials and switches are not clickable
You can see rain drops on the visor of the captain's mototrbike helmet, which he wouldn't have been wearing
You can see lens flares, when the captain is not looking through a lens (with his eyes on the bridge)
Reflections of the player submarine is all distorted (and possibly for other ships too)
No reflections for any new imported ships in .dat format as the reflection controller doesn't work
Engines increase in volume, instead of pitch when RPMs are increased
Sunken ships vanish as soon as they touch the sea bed
Ship's reflections are visible in fog when the ship itself is not
Ship's wakes can be seen through waves
Particle smoke from distant ships is not rendered, so you cannot see 'smoke on the horizon'
Captain walking effects skewed
Crew will not switch to rain gear in bad weather
Ships sink into the sea in order to simulate a horizon, except the horizon is visible behind them, which just makes it look like the ships are sinking
AA Gun ammo bar is directly in the line of sight for the sights, so you cannot see what you are shotting at
Shadow does not fall correctly on wakes
Fall when climbing ladder to deck in VIIB
VIIB and VIIC conning towers are switched
Conning tower shadows have gaps
Incorrect German Spelling

Modding Issues

Requires support for Import of ship/Air Models/Dials/Needles without the need for a GR2 Licence
Internal submarine texture file sharing prevents detailed modding
Lack of instruction regarding in-game modding tools

reaper7 · 07-10-10, 10:31 AM

Thanks Takeda Shingen for starting this Thread. I hope it will be used in the manner it was set up for.

I haven't played the Game much (Have spent all my time Modding it

) so can't comment on AI or such but what I have come across so far that need attention are.

1. Stadimeter (Send the default mast Height of 20m instead of the actual height in cfg files)

2. KM Grid has been removed from SH5. I have attempted to Mod it back in but results always give a CTD

3. A proper working u-boat stadimeter - not the Paciffic Sub one that is currently used.

4. Support for Import of ship/Air Models without the need for a GR2 Licence.

Will post anything alse I can think of again.

SteelViking · 07-10-10, 12:16 PM

There are a large number of things on the interior of the sub which simply have the wrong textures assigned to them, or the textures are oriented improperly. The errors I am referring to are not correctable by editing the textures themselves, it would take editing of GR2 files. I am sorry that I cannot get screen shots of everything that I am talking about, as there are simply too many little problems for one man to try to collect them all.

Here is a list of just some of the things I am talking about:

- Gauge labels are incorrectly set up and assigned.

- The radio room is lacking all labels, including those on the radar(it does not even have a designation for the on/off switch).

- The two communication tubes in the command room are see through.

- Also, the way that all the textures for the interior(meaning the walls, pipes, wires, machinery, etc.) is not set up very well to be modded. The way it is now makes it very hard to make the sub look historically accurate since so many different things share the same textures. For instance, the TDC shares the same textures as the pipes around the sub.

There are many more, but these are the ones that I can think of right off the bat. I know these are just graphical problems, and that a lot of people disregard graphics as unimportant. However, graphics are my specialty, and these are some of what I cannot fix, so I figured I would bring them to the publics attention.

stoppro · 07-10-10, 01:09 PM

I just would like the destroyers to stop spining around in circles and sticking with me where ever i go.

07-10-10, 01:22 PM

What would be an easy and big help right now would be the information on how the tools provided with SH5 are used.
Playing the Guessing Game is no fun.

Some of the issues SteelViking posted,
- Gauge labels are incorrectly set up and assigned.
- The radio room is lacking all labels, including those on the radar(it does not even have a designation for the on/off switch).
- The two communication tubes in the command room are see through.

we can take care of the problems.

The issue with support of Unit imports in Dat format is the total lack of
the effects.
Such as Shadows,
don't see the sub underwater as viewed from above,
Etc.

I doubt we would see the effects added without GR2 file format.
That would take a major rewrite of code most likely.
So it is important to address the GR2 situation.

BIGREG · 07-10-10, 01:38 PM

Idem Privateer and SteelViking

- requires .GR2 editing to :

- add mouse mask to use directly in game the knobs,levers and wheels

- add the missing needles ( echolot,co2,batterie level in control room,needles of elec engines in VIIa ... )

- correct the missing needles textures ( hours,minutes in rear room VIIa and sonar room )

- add led light in submarines

ps: i have see a light bug in subarimes,the light rotate with the curse !?

07-10-10, 01:55 PM

AI issues:

Documentation beyond what we have is needed now.
This should be an easy thing to do.
And no patch is needed to do this.
It would assist those working in the AI field right now.

For any possible patch?
Fix the AI!
And finish the incomplete code.
(I refer to the Q-Ship code not finished!)

Mines and Anti-Subnets need fixed!
As more and more U-Boats are found to have been sunk by Mines?
This is a MUST!

SteelViking · 07-10-10, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

What would be an easy and big help right now would be the information on how the tools provided with SH5 are used.
Playing the Guessing Game is no fun.

Some of the issues SteelViking posted,
- Gauge labels are incorrectly set up and assigned.
- The radio room is lacking all labels, including those on the radar(it does not even have a designation for the on/off switch).
- The two communication tubes in the command room are see through.

we can take care of the problems.

I agree, tools are something that we definitely need more info on/need better versions of/or better tools altogether.

@Privateer,

I know that we CAN fix that stuff, but I would much rather have the devs do it for multiple reasons. They could probably do a cleaner job then we can, since they have access to the GR2 files they would have an easier time of it, and the things I mentioned should have been included from the start.

Edit: BTW, Takeda, thanks for setting up and overseeing this thread. I hope it does not get too out of hand.

07-10-10, 10:09 AM	#1
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	'Fix My SH5' Issue Compilation Thread Here is the thread for issue compilation regarding Silent Hunter 5. This thread is intended to list the features in the game requiring attention in a manner that is easily digestible for the company and development officials. Post below and I will compile in information here in the first post of the thread, which will relieve the afforementioned parties of the need to search through hundreds of pages of text. Understand that this thread is for constructive puproses only. Rants, fits and anything that does not serve the ends of game improvement will be deleted without warning. Finally, please be specific. Don't just say that the AI is broken. What specifically is broken? 'AI ASDIC is able to detect surfaced submarine at 30nmi' is a far more valid observation. If we want our concerns to be taken seriously, and want to cut through the noise of idle complaining, we will have to be very thorough in our work. Along those lines, if you feel that any of the included items are in error, by all means feel free to question and discuss it. AI and Game Object/Mechanics Issues Q Ship AI data incomplete Ships not saving their damage when saving, so they are at full health when a game is re-loaded Cannot use ladders if looking up Sonarman doesn't report any contacts Obs scope always raises itself when starting a mission Stadimeter: Sends the default mast Height of 20m instead of the actual height in cfg files Deck Gun Crew will fire on a new target after the current target is destroyed of their own accord (fire at will enabled permanently) When dragging the waypoint on the navmap of TUI, dragging over a ship makes the waypoint stick to the ship Stock AI will ignore you, unless you are definately classified as a Submarine contact. Unknown contacts will be ignored You can be assigned to a new base, without being radioed about it TDC gets out of synch if you train the torpedo speed special ability Incorrect types of AI recon planes flying at night Occasionally either a friendly or enemy unit will get 'attached' to you and follow you everywhere Sonar man does not warn about depth charges being dropped The crew AI 20mm AA gunners aim far too low to hit any aircraft Task force presence fails to drop player from time compression Some ships cannot be heard if they go slower than 6 knots TDC's speed entry is rounded to a whole number, instead of letting us put in 5.5 knots etcetera Engine tuning resets to zero after diving and surfacing. E.G> before diving you can make 20 knots, but after surfacing, you can only make 15 knots Ships take no damage from the fires on them Ye Olde Co2 bug, where the Co2 keeps rising, although you are surfaced Reports of enemy ships being spawned in the Kiel Canal, or trying to transit up it Torpdo autoloading option not saved as part of a game save, so you have to turn it back on each time AI Torpedo planes do not enter into an attack run AI air dropped torpedoes are dead and sink, instead of running AI Torpedo planes even if fixed cannot aim ahead of a target and will usually miss Moving external torpedo to internal stores takes only one minute Starshells are not fired by the AI. When scripted to fire, they neither illuminate the area or enhance the DDs visual range If you load a saved game without the game having focus (currently active window in Windows) then the player's U-Boat will steam in circles, instead of following waypoints Problems with the magnetic detonators, even with duds turned off Can't get through internal hatches into another compartment if the boat is in a steep dive or climb AI wolfpacks sail too close to convoys and fail to attack When TDC is on and you use the stadimeter, the AOB is always reset from the value you had input Contact Detected function of all AI is broken Depth setting on magnetic warheads is incorrect Increased torpedo speed results in bugged gyro settings Occasional problems docking in-base Cannot man or un-man deck gun Cosmetic Issues Requires Kriegsmarine map grid Requires Kriegsmarine Stadimeter The radio room is lacking all labels, including those on the radar The two communication tubes in the command room are transparent Gauge labels are incorrect Crew turn their backs on you when you click on them to talk, then they turn to face you again Crew on the conning tower whilst underwater after a loading a game Crewman near the UZO will point at nothing every now and again Torpedoes are absent from the torpedo room, if you have them and appear when you have none left The torpedo reload action gets out of synch if you train reload speed ability Sub will hover above the sea bed, rather than sitting on it Internal model of the Radar set is installed, even if radar is not installed on the boat, which causes confusion Interior dials and switches are not clickable You can see rain drops on the visor of the captain's mototrbike helmet, which he wouldn't have been wearing You can see lens flares, when the captain is not looking through a lens (with his eyes on the bridge) Reflections of the player submarine is all distorted (and possibly for other ships too) No reflections for any new imported ships in .dat format as the reflection controller doesn't work Engines increase in volume, instead of pitch when RPMs are increased Sunken ships vanish as soon as they touch the sea bed Ship's reflections are visible in fog when the ship itself is not Ship's wakes can be seen through waves Particle smoke from distant ships is not rendered, so you cannot see 'smoke on the horizon' Captain walking effects skewed Crew will not switch to rain gear in bad weather Ships sink into the sea in order to simulate a horizon, except the horizon is visible behind them, which just makes it look like the ships are sinking AA Gun ammo bar is directly in the line of sight for the sights, so you cannot see what you are shotting at Shadow does not fall correctly on wakes Fall when climbing ladder to deck in VIIB VIIB and VIIC conning towers are switched Conning tower shadows have gaps Incorrect German Spelling Modding Issues Requires support for Import of ship/Air Models/Dials/Needles without the need for a GR2 Licence Internal submarine texture file sharing prevents detailed modding Lack of instruction regarding in-game modding tools Last edited by Takeda Shingen; 07-16-10 at 09:25 AM.

07-10-10, 12:16 PM	#3
SteelViking The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: U.S.A.-East Coast Posts: 1,587 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 4	Cosmetic Issues There are a large number of things on the interior of the sub which simply have the wrong textures assigned to them, or the textures are oriented improperly. The errors I am referring to are not correctable by editing the textures themselves, it would take editing of GR2 files. I am sorry that I cannot get screen shots of everything that I am talking about, as there are simply too many little problems for one man to try to collect them all. Here is a list of just some of the things I am talking about: - Gauge labels are incorrectly set up and assigned. - The radio room is lacking all labels, including those on the radar(it does not even have a designation for the on/off switch). - The two communication tubes in the command room are see through. - Also, the way that all the textures for the interior(meaning the walls, pipes, wires, machinery, etc.) is not set up very well to be modded. The way it is now makes it very hard to make the sub look historically accurate since so many different things share the same textures. For instance, the TDC shares the same textures as the pipes around the sub. There are many more, but these are the ones that I can think of right off the bat. I know these are just graphical problems, and that a lot of people disregard graphics as unimportant. However, graphics are my specialty, and these are some of what I cannot fix, so I figured I would bring them to the publics attention. __________________ He sank 198,650 tons....who you ask?....Erich Topp, that's who!

07-10-10, 10:31 AM	#2
reaper7 sim2reality Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: AM 82 Posts: 2,280 Downloads: 258 Uploads: 30	Thanks Takeda Shingen for starting this Thread. I hope it will be used in the manner it was set up for. I haven't played the Game much (Have spent all my time Modding it ) so can't comment on AI or such but what I have come across so far that need attention are. 1. Stadimeter (Send the default mast Height of 20m instead of the actual height in cfg files) 2. KM Grid has been removed from SH5. I have attempted to Mod it back in but results always give a CTD 3. A proper working u-boat stadimeter - not the Paciffic Sub one that is currently used. 4. Support for Import of ship/Air Models without the need for a GR2 Licence. Will post anything alse I can think of again.

07-10-10, 01:09 PM	#4
stoppro Sonar Guy Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: vero beach fl Posts: 380 Downloads: 495 Uploads: 0	I just would like the destroyers to stop spining around in circles and sticking with me where ever i go.

07-10-10, 01:22 PM	#5
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	What would be an easy and big help right now would be the information on how the tools provided with SH5 are used. Playing the Guessing Game is no fun. Some of the issues SteelViking posted, - Gauge labels are incorrectly set up and assigned. - The radio room is lacking all labels, including those on the radar(it does not even have a designation for the on/off switch). - The two communication tubes in the command room are see through. we can take care of the problems. The issue with support of Unit imports in Dat format is the total lack of the effects. Such as Shadows, don't see the sub underwater as viewed from above, Etc. I doubt we would see the effects added without GR2 file format. That would take a major rewrite of code most likely. So it is important to address the GR2 situation.

07-10-10, 01:38 PM	#6
BIGREG Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bretagne-FRANCE Posts: 813 Downloads: 155 Uploads: 0	Idem Privateer and SteelViking - requires .GR2 editing to : - add mouse mask to use directly in game the knobs,levers and wheels - add the missing needles ( echolot,co2,batterie level in control room,needles of elec engines in VIIa ... ) - correct the missing needles textures ( hours,minutes in rear room VIIa and sonar room ) - add led light in submarines ps: i have see a light bug in subarimes,the light rotate with the curse !?

07-10-10, 01:55 PM	#7
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	AI issues: Documentation beyond what we have is needed now. This should be an easy thing to do. And no patch is needed to do this. It would assist those working in the AI field right now. For any possible patch? Fix the AI! And finish the incomplete code. (I refer to the Q-Ship code not finished!) Mines and Anti-Subnets need fixed! As more and more U-Boats are found to have been sunk by Mines? This is a MUST!