Chinese launch new sub class

TLAM Strike · 09-20-10, 08:47 PM

New PLAN Submarine photos showed up in the Internet...

Looks to be a domestically produced Kilo copy with a few mods.

Gerald · 09-20-10, 08:52 PM

Takeda Shingen · 09-20-10, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendor

Nah. Too small to house a reactor.

Gerald · 09-20-10, 09:14 PM

Maybe. But today development allows much less room for reactors,and it applies in general and submarines are no exception,anyway thanks for the information.

Castout · 09-20-10, 09:33 PM

Im sure people would want to make nuclear powered submarine to be larger than diesel-electric ones.

For one nuclear sub is solely dependent on food supplies that they can stow aboard their sub hence the need of larger space and because they're expected to be deployed longer than diesel equivalent they naturally need to stow more torpedoes and weapons.

So that pic in most probability would not be a nuclear powered submarine. Looking at the small size it's clearly intended as a tactical submarine instead.

Either a Kilo copy or a hybrid Lada-Kilo copy or simply a much improved Kilo design. Chinese electronics are getting much better surely now.

TLAM Strike · 09-20-10, 10:04 PM

I wouldn't discount the possibility she is a nuc since the French Rubis class SSNs are smaller than the Russian Kilo class diesels except this boat looks too much like a Kilo with an extra rudder, a WLR type intercept, and a modified Seawolf like sail.

Castout · 09-20-10, 10:14 PM

Aye Rubis is a tiny bit shorter than Kilo indeed

This one really comes under the press radar . . . .usually we would read news about a new sub design months before it was ready to sail.

Zachstar · 09-20-10, 11:02 PM

I say Kilo with some kind of extra power mod to last FAR longer in an attack run.

We are going to need large numbers of active sonar drones to flush these things out at this rate.

TLAM Strike · 09-20-10, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Castout

Aye Rubis is a tiny bit shorter than Kilo indeed

It also weighs 1,400 tons less. That's practically another diesel submarine right there.

Castout · 09-20-10, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Zachstar

I say Kilo with some kind of extra power mod to last FAR longer in an attack run.

We are going to need large numbers of active sonar drones to flush these things out at this rate.

That sounds interesting if that's coupled with added processing and tracking power then ummmm would not be a bad sub.

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

It also weighs 1,400 tons less. That's practically another diesel submarine right there.

Actually according to encyclopedia on my lap a surfaced Rubis has a displacement of 2,385 tons while a surfaced Kilo displacement is at 2,325 tons(pls do correct my English as I feel they have been becoming worse as my usage with the language becoming rarer, hardly read anything English anymore at least book wise)

Raptor1 · 09-21-10, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Castout

Actually according to encyclopedia on my lap a surfaced Rubis has a displacement of 2,385 tons while a surfaced Kilo displacement is at 2,325 tons(pls do correct my English as I feel they have been becoming worse as my usage with the language becoming rarer, hardly read anything English anymore at least book wise)

But submerged the Rubis displace ~2,600-2,700 tons while the Kilo displaces ~4,000 tons submerged (Or less, have seen figures for 3,000 as well).

Oberon · 09-21-10, 07:12 AM

Wow...they're getting pretty good at sneaking things under the radar, aren't they?

papa_smurf · 09-21-10, 08:38 AM

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Wow...they're getting pretty good at sneaking things under the radar, aren't they?

Indeed, wonder how sneaky it will be when patrolling

Castout · 09-21-10, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

But submerged the Rubis displace ~2,600-2,700 tons while the Kilo displaces ~4,000 tons submerged (Or less, have seen figures for 3,000 as well).

Yea according to this thick encyclopedia

Kilo displaces 3,076 tons diving

While Rubis displaces 2,670 tons when submerged

TLAM Strike · 09-21-10, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by papa_smurf

Indeed, wonder how sneaky it will be when patrolling

If its got fuel cells or some other form of AIP it could be very sneaky.

Other possibility is that the Yuan has AIP and this is a pure diesel-electric version of the Yuan (the low end to the Yuan's high end).

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Originally Posted by Castout

Yea according to this thick encyclopedia

Kilo displaces 3,076 tons diving

While Rubis displaces 2,670 tons when submerged

Either-way bigger than a Rubis.

09-20-10, 08:47 PM	#1
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Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Maybe. But today development allows much less room for reactors,and it applies in general and submarines are no exception,anyway thanks for the information. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

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Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	Im sure people would want to make nuclear powered submarine to be larger than diesel-electric ones. For one nuclear sub is solely dependent on food supplies that they can stow aboard their sub hence the need of larger space and because they're expected to be deployed longer than diesel equivalent they naturally need to stow more torpedoes and weapons. So that pic in most probability would not be a nuclear powered submarine. Looking at the small size it's clearly intended as a tactical submarine instead. Either a Kilo copy or a hybrid Lada-Kilo copy or simply a much improved Kilo design. Chinese electronics are getting much better surely now. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/

09-20-10, 10:04 PM	#6
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	I wouldn't discount the possibility she is a nuc since the French Rubis class SSNs are smaller than the Russian Kilo class diesels except this boat looks too much like a Kilo with an extra rudder, a WLR type intercept, and a modified Seawolf like sail. __________________

09-20-10, 10:14 PM	#7
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	Aye Rubis is a tiny bit shorter than Kilo indeed This one really comes under the press radar . . . .usually we would read news about a new sub design months before it was ready to sail. __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/

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Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I say Kilo with some kind of extra power mod to last FAR longer in an attack run. We are going to need large numbers of active sonar drones to flush these things out at this rate. __________________

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Wow...they're getting pretty good at sneaking things under the radar, aren't they?