CTDs on Save Game Load

Kernow71 · 08-17-10, 03:59 PM

I'm getting a lot of CTDs on save game load up, at the 'not so long ago stage'
running fully patched SH3, GWX3.0, Commander (using config installer), plus radio messages lite, on Vista 32 bit system, this is a clean install.

Any ideas, as this makes the game unplayable if you can't reload a save.

Pisces · 08-17-10, 04:01 PM

How about an earlier save?

frau kaleun · 08-17-10, 04:19 PM

You may very well have a corrupted save. As Pisces noted, if you have another save made earlier you can try loading that and see what happens. You will lose everything that happened after that save point, but at least you'll be able to continue your mission/patrol without having to start over completely.

Unfortunately the occasional corrupted save seems to be a known issue with the game.

Best advice for avoiding them: don't save submerged, or within contact range of land or any other vessel.

This means that before you save, you should submerge (if you're on the surface) and do a hydrophone check to verify that there are no sound contacts within range. Resurface and verify from the bridge that you cannot see land, other ships, or aircraft in any direction; then ask your WO for the nearest visual contact to verify that the game agrees there is nobody else around.

Also, modding should only be done (and this includes using JSGME to enable/disable "pre-assembled" mods) when you are in base between patrols. So if you've changed anything in your mod line-up, or edited any files manually, since exiting the game after that save, you can try to undo whatever changes you made and then reload to see if that solves the problem.

If none of that applies, you may just have gotten the odd corrupted save for reasons unknown and the only option will be to start again from the last save point that will load for you without crashing.

Kernow71 · 08-18-10, 12:22 PM

Thanks,

but thats probably me done with SH3 then, I can't play games that you put 10s or even 100s hours of time into and then saves regularly get corrupted, thats why I don't play blood bowl or CM99/00 (the best version of championship manager) anymore. Its just to depressing and makes me want to throw the PC out of the window.

frau kaleun · 08-18-10, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kernow71

Thanks,

but thats probably me done with SH3 then, I can't play games that you put 10s or even 100s hours of time into and then saves regularly get corrupted, thats why I don't play blood bowl or CM99/00 (the best version of championship manager) anymore. Its just to depressing and makes me want to throw the PC out of the window.

I'm not aware that saves regularly get corrupted, if you have a good working install and avoid doing things that are known to be problematic (as described above). But occasionally they do happen, because sometimes files on a computer get corrupted somewhere in the process of creating/saving/moving/accessing them and that's just how it goes.

If it's happening on a regular basis with a particular install of the game, chances are there's a reason for it that can be pinned down and addressed in some way.

Personally I've put in hours of game time over many careers and made many saves, sometimes a dozen or more in the same patrol, and I've never had an issue loading a save that wasn't attributable to something I did to bork things up in between gaming sessions.

Herr-Berbunch · 08-18-10, 01:56 PM

Noooo, don't give up! Yes, it's not nice to lose a career in this way but it is only occasionally. I'm suffering at the minute and can't fathom out why but intend to restart a fresh career that will be better for my experience - I'll still not sink anything but hey, don't let the gremlins grind you down

Jimbuna · 08-18-10, 03:06 PM

You say you have a 'clean install'....that probably means you've had a previous install, yes?

Did you perform a registry clean before your 'clean install'?

Did you delete the SH3 folder in C\MyDocs?

Do you still have the default 'Player' name on your save file screen?

Kernow71 · 08-18-10, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

You say you have a 'clean install'....that probably means you've had a previous install, yes?

Did you perform a registry clean before your 'clean install'?

Did you delete the SH3 folder in C\MyDocs?

Do you still have the default 'Player' name on your save file screen?

Clean install, as I had reinstalled OS (as a total system clean up to factory/shipping state) so no registry fragments or files to worry about

I have already uninstalled SH3, but fairly sure 'player' was still there; does 'player' affect saves?

Perhaps I will reinstall and give SH£ a last chance, what are the registry remnants that should be deleted (regedit) before a reinstall?

Jimbuna · 08-19-10, 10:08 AM

Deleting the 'Player' name is suspected by some to be a possible reason for future game save problems.

Try RegVac, there is a free trial version at the link below:

http://www.regvac.com/fregvac.htm

Tessa · 08-21-10, 03:45 AM

CTD's are a constant pain, even in open water I've had some go south for no apparent reason. One item that seems to negatively affect your savegames is having hull damage or any portions of your ship destroyed. Taking damage is part of the game, when it happens wait till you're out of danger or out least out of range of any ships/coastal artillery that could possibly hit you. It makes things frustrating that during a prolonged attack/escape you could easily spend 5-10 hours and if you end up sinking all that progress is lost. You can roll the bones and sometimes get lucky with saving underwater, though make sure your sound indicator is all green and you're not moving; you've got about a 1/3 chance the save will work. If you have to use it though, you'll find that your deck is manned by your watch team while submerged.

Jimbuna · 08-21-10, 11:01 AM

The golden rule for saving whilst surfaced is....there should be NOTHING within rendering range of you (50km radius).

08-21-10, 04:51 PM

With all we know about the files now days?
Perhaps it's time to start a serious look into the saved files structures.

A strict, predetermined, course of testing could open the door to a
Saved Game Editor.
After 5 years?
I think it's about time to kick this Pig of a problem.

Tessa · 08-21-10, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

With all we know about the files now days?
Perhaps it's time to start a serious look into the saved files structures.

A strict, predetermined, course of testing could open the door to a
Saved Game Editor.
After 5 years?
I think it's about time to kick this Pig of a problem.

I second that

the frequency this kind of problem happens would never be tolerated in a new game today.

Jimbuna · 08-22-10, 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

With all we know about the files now days?
Perhaps it's time to start a serious look into the saved files structures.

A strict, predetermined, course of testing could open the door to a
Saved Game Editor.
After 5 years?
I think it's about time to kick this Pig of a problem.

Considering the numbers still playing SH3 that is a great idea

h.sie · 08-22-10, 11:27 AM

Jimbuna: The golden rule for saving whilst surfaced is....there should be NOTHING within rendering range of you (50km radius).

Hi Jim. Greetings. How does one know if there is something in render range, since my visible range is only 16km?

h.sie

08-17-10, 03:59 PM	#1
Kernow71 Swabbie Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	CTDs on Save Game Load I'm getting a lot of CTDs on save game load up, at the 'not so long ago stage' running fully patched SH3, GWX3.0, Commander (using config installer), plus radio messages lite, on Vista 32 bit system, this is a clean install. Any ideas, as this makes the game unplayable if you can't reload a save.

08-17-10, 04:01 PM	#2
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	How about an earlier save? __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads

08-18-10, 01:56 PM	#6
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	Noooo, don't give up! Yes, it's not nice to lose a career in this way but it is only occasionally. I'm suffering at the minute and can't fathom out why but intend to restart a fresh career that will be better for my experience - I'll still not sink anything but hey, don't let the gremlins grind you down __________________

08-18-10, 03:06 PM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	You say you have a 'clean install'....that probably means you've had a previous install, yes? Did you perform a registry clean before your 'clean install'? Did you delete the SH3 folder in C\MyDocs? Do you still have the default 'Player' name on your save file screen? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-19-10, 10:08 AM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Deleting the 'Player' name is suspected by some to be a possible reason for future game save problems. Try RegVac, there is a free trial version at the link below: http://www.regvac.com/fregvac.htm __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-17-10, 04:19 PM	#3
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	You may very well have a corrupted save. As Pisces noted, if you have another save made earlier you can try loading that and see what happens. You will lose everything that happened after that save point, but at least you'll be able to continue your mission/patrol without having to start over completely. Unfortunately the occasional corrupted save seems to be a known issue with the game. Best advice for avoiding them: don't save submerged, or within contact range of land or any other vessel. This means that before you save, you should submerge (if you're on the surface) and do a hydrophone check to verify that there are no sound contacts within range. Resurface and verify from the bridge that you cannot see land, other ships, or aircraft in any direction; then ask your WO for the nearest visual contact to verify that the game agrees there is nobody else around. Also, modding should only be done (and this includes using JSGME to enable/disable "pre-assembled" mods) when you are in base between patrols. So if you've changed anything in your mod line-up, or edited any files manually, since exiting the game after that save, you can try to undo whatever changes you made and then reload to see if that solves the problem. If none of that applies, you may just have gotten the odd corrupted save for reasons unknown and the only option will be to start again from the last save point that will load for you without crashing.

08-18-10, 12:22 PM	#4
Kernow71 Swabbie Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 9 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Thanks, but thats probably me done with SH3 then, I can't play games that you put 10s or even 100s hours of time into and then saves regularly get corrupted, thats why I don't play blood bowl or CM99/00 (the best version of championship manager) anymore. Its just to depressing and makes me want to throw the PC out of the window.

08-21-10, 03:45 AM	#10
Tessa Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: CG 96 Posts: 861 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	CTD's are a constant pain, even in open water I've had some go south for no apparent reason. One item that seems to negatively affect your savegames is having hull damage or any portions of your ship destroyed. Taking damage is part of the game, when it happens wait till you're out of danger or out least out of range of any ships/coastal artillery that could possibly hit you. It makes things frustrating that during a prolonged attack/escape you could easily spend 5-10 hours and if you end up sinking all that progress is lost. You can roll the bones and sometimes get lucky with saving underwater, though make sure your sound indicator is all green and you're not moving; you've got about a 1/3 chance the save will work. If you have to use it though, you'll find that your deck is manned by your watch team while submerged.

08-21-10, 11:01 AM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The golden rule for saving whilst surfaced is....there should be NOTHING within rendering range of you (50km radius). __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-21-10, 04:51 PM	#12
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	With all we know about the files now days? Perhaps it's time to start a serious look into the saved files structures. A strict, predetermined, course of testing could open the door to a Saved Game Editor. After 5 years? I think it's about time to kick this Pig of a problem.

08-22-10, 11:27 AM	#15
h.sie Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,192 Downloads: 131 Uploads: 0	Jimbuna: The golden rule for saving whilst surfaced is....there should be NOTHING within rendering range of you (50km radius). Hi Jim. Greetings. How does one know if there is something in render range, since my visible range is only 16km? h.sie __________________ My Mediafire page: http://www.mediafire.com/hsie