SH5 Wolfpacks, There in!

jwilliams · 05-31-10, 03:48 AM

It seam as though Ubi have put working Wolfpacks into SH5.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...7/m/8381081568

I knew Ubi said they had put them in... but i though they were bugged?

I've not seen them personaly yet.... But im gonna go looking for em.... Wolfpacks in action.

Zedi · 05-31-10, 04:53 AM

Lies. You know, this game works because our fat imagination, because sometime we want so much to work as we dream that we actually belive it does. But is just a mirrage.

I'm doing Black Pit now and there is a lot of wolfpack activity there, including a mission with "sink million ships using wolpack tactics". So instead of hunting convoys, I hunted our u-boats trying to find and join a wolfpack. Finally I managed to find a big one, 9 u-boot heading west in close formation. So I joined them hoping for a great hunt. My *** !

Few hours after I joined them, we run right into a huge convoy with heavy escort and all that goodies. Gues what this lame wolfpack did? They broke up. Those retards in front crash dived and sailed away at 50m, 2 in next row got 1 shoted by the escorts and the last row in back managed to sail away on high speed. I left all alone against mad escorts and zig-zag'in ships.

So that story on official forum is a result of an action hungry imagination. AI subs don't engage enemy ships, they dodge them.. is not the first time I see this. Same as the u-boot did that I posted in screenshot thread, where after I joined another AI u-boot and we found a convoy.. he dived and on max speed avoided any contact with the enemy.. after the convoy passed he surfaced again but bad luck.. the convoy had a battleship that one shoted him.

So yeah, sadly there is no working wolfpack in the game, it's just an ilusion

jwilliams · 05-31-10, 04:54 AM

Well.... they are in, there just not working as intended, or as we would like them to work.

Maybe they can be modded to work?

Herr_Pete · 05-31-10, 05:12 AM

Sounds exactly the same as the 3 Wolfpacks I linked up with. Was really excited when we found our first convoy and then all of a sudden I noticed all the u-boats diving and they all broke off so yeah it was just me left with a cracking convoy. The wolfpack was 8 U-boats strong. 3 depth charged and 2 unknown deaths... Kick ass AI...

The General · 05-31-10, 05:19 AM

I am glad to hear this as I hadn't seen any Wolfpacks yet. Although, that story on the Ubi Forum could be faked by using Multiplayer and just switching off the name labels and taking screenshots

It's such a huge shame SH5 wasn't finished by The Devs, it could've been amazing. I don't believe the Modders can fix things like the missing Subnets and Mines, let alone all the other stuff. The Darkwraith seems to be obsessed with the U.I. and while his improvements are great, there's no point having a great UI on a broken game.

Herr_Pete · 05-31-10, 05:23 AM

this is a petty comment but i hate looking at the other u-boats and you can't see any crew on the conning tower. Just a ghost boats sailing around. Just seems odd.

IanC · 05-31-10, 06:43 AM

I don't think I've seen one person here say that they've seen co-ordinated attacks on a convoy from AI U-boats.
Conclusion: Wolfpacks are not working.
And if this is hardcoded then only an official patch can fix it.

Zedi · 05-31-10, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The General

I am glad to hear this as I hadn't seen any Wolfpacks yet. Although, that story on the Ubi Forum could be faked by using Multiplayer and just switching off the name labels and taking screenshots

It's such a huge shame SH5 wasn't finished by The Devs, it could've been amazing. I don't believe the Modders can fix things like the missing Subnets and Mines, let alone all the other stuff. The Darkwraith seems to be obsessed with the U.I. and while his improvements are great, there's no point having a great UI on a broken game.

In that link all u can see is what I was talking about, the stupid AI u-boot running away and the escort having fun with him. U will never see one AI sub actually attacking an enemy target, they will always dodge it. As I said, I'm doing the Black Pit campaign and there is a LOT of u-boot activity, but none will engage the enemy.. they exist only to give the player the feeling that he is not alone.

Regarding the mods, I agree.. there is a lot of work on the UI, but almost none on the game and AI behaviour. ddrgn had worked on an interesting mod "U-boat Historical Specifications" and "Feared Hunters" that could evolve into a bigger something, similar to TDW work but dealing with the AI and the game mechanics ... maybe he don't have time or enough interest to continue his work...

janh · 05-31-10, 09:30 AM

Seems like the developers were stopped when they had the wolfpacks halfway in the game, and couldn't finish creating a proper AI for them. Really sad, this would have been the one unimaginable crown jewel of this game, the one thing truly everyone was hoping for. But the graphics are awesome!

walsh2509 · 05-31-10, 10:31 AM

I made contact with an unescorted armed merchant convoy, at the juntion of 13w 53e there were 12 ships in the convoy. I only had 2 torps left , sunk 1 damaged a 2nd it was dead in the water. I was going to wait until the other had left suface behind the damaged merchant and sink her, I ran the clock forward 1 - 2 days had passed and the other were sailing in circles coming back to the damaged ship. I was about 100mts off it but with Pscope up at least 1 of the other ships would try to ram me. 2nd day in with my Pscope up 7 planes came over they were in a straight line and 1 after the other came in for an attack, I don't know if they seen my scope but several shots hit the damaged ship.

With Co2 very high I sailed away until I was out of there sight, I stayed back just out of sight of these Merchants and for a week I sat there watching these ships sail away and back again to the merchant that was dead in there water. Every 4 hour of that week I sent a report, the icon with the envolpe and the icon of the ship I could send both and I did. After a week of sitting there watching this dance, no other uboats turned up.

I set sail back to port.

GoldenRivet · 05-31-10, 10:47 AM

this appears to be no different than the "wolfpacks" in GWX

Krauter · 05-31-10, 11:18 AM

I remember seeing in, I think the Screenshot post, that someone was tracking a British Sub and it fired a torpedo at them but it just sank. Another post I saw showed someone sailing and spotting a few white trails (torpedo wakes) which he then followed with the external cam to see the brit sub AT PERI DEPTH shooting at him.

I also remember that in SH4 ships werent able to fire torpedos on their own and required a mod to do that. Perhaps that is all that is missing in this game?

Magnum, I think you need to tone down the cynicism and give the game some time to grow...

The General · 05-31-10, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

this appears to be no different than the "wolfpacks" in GWX

Yeah, apart from the fact that the graphics are ten times better

Zedi · 05-31-10, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Krauter

I remember seeing in, I think the Screenshot post, that someone was tracking a British Sub and it fired a torpedo at them but it just sank. Another post I saw showed someone sailing and spotting a few white trails (torpedo wakes) which he then followed with the external cam to see the brit sub AT PERI DEPTH shooting at him.

I also remember that in SH4 ships werent able to fire torpedos on their own and required a mod to do that. Perhaps that is all that is missing in this game?

Magnum, I think you need to tone down the cynicism and give the game some time to grow...

That was me, my only dogfight with a brit sub, posted screenie in the dedicated thread. Was no fightback from the sub, but he did something else that surprised me very much. He was already sinking and when I was about to pass over him to take a nice screenshot, with his last energy he tried to ram me from underwater. Here is the pic:

Now, maybe this was not intentional.. maybe the AI was just struggling to get back to surface and was an accidental kick that just looked like an intention to ram me.. who knows. Truth is, I was impressed and even if was only the script that tried to get the AI sub back to surface.. I wanna believe it was his intention to ram me. As I said, in SH our imagination play a major role :P

rik007 · 05-31-10, 12:09 PM

This is no Wolfpack as the concerted aspect - i.e. communication from/to BDU - is missing. It's a happy coincidence, a spontaneously gathering of u-boots. Let's call it a flock of u-boots.

05-31-10, 03:48 AM	#1
jwilliams Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,013 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	SH5 Wolfpacks, There in! It seam as though Ubi have put working Wolfpacks into SH5. http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...7/m/8381081568 I knew Ubi said they had put them in... but i though they were bugged? I've not seen them personaly yet.... But im gonna go looking for em.... Wolfpacks in action. __________________ Windows 7, 64bit. Phenom II 965BE (OC 4cores @ 3.8 Ghz). Radeon HD4870 (1gb gddr5). 6gb Ram.

05-31-10, 04:54 AM	#3
jwilliams Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,013 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	Well.... they are in, there just not working as intended, or as we would like them to work. Maybe they can be modded to work? __________________ Windows 7, 64bit. Phenom II 965BE (OC 4cores @ 3.8 Ghz). Radeon HD4870 (1gb gddr5). 6gb Ram.

05-31-10, 05:19 AM	#5
The General The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountain Ash, Wales, U.K. Posts: 1,548 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 3	In your face SH3 cronies! I am glad to hear this as I hadn't seen any Wolfpacks yet. Although, that story on the Ubi Forum could be faked by using Multiplayer and just switching off the name labels and taking screenshots It's such a huge shame SH5 wasn't finished by The Devs, it could've been amazing. I don't believe the Modders can fix things like the missing Subnets and Mines, let alone all the other stuff. The Darkwraith seems to be obsessed with the U.I. and while his improvements are great, there's no point having a great UI on a broken game. __________________ *THE GENERAL*

05-31-10, 09:30 AM	#9
janh Stinking drunk in Trinidad Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 349 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Seems like the developers were stopped when they had the wolfpacks halfway in the game, and couldn't finish creating a proper AI for them. Really sad, this would have been the one unimaginable crown jewel of this game, the one thing truly everyone was hoping for. But the graphics are awesome! __________________ Scientific facts are not determined by the opinion of the majority, nor by a democratic vote.

05-31-10, 10:47 AM	#11
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	this appears to be no different than the "wolfpacks" in GWX __________________

05-31-10, 04:53 AM	#2
Zedi Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,845 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 2	Lies. You know, this game works because our fat imagination, because sometime we want so much to work as we dream that we actually belive it does. But is just a mirrage. I'm doing Black Pit now and there is a lot of wolfpack activity there, including a mission with "sink million ships using wolpack tactics". So instead of hunting convoys, I hunted our u-boats trying to find and join a wolfpack. Finally I managed to find a big one, 9 u-boot heading west in close formation. So I joined them hoping for a great hunt. My *** ! Few hours after I joined them, we run right into a huge convoy with heavy escort and all that goodies. Gues what this lame wolfpack did? They broke up. Those retards in front crash dived and sailed away at 50m, 2 in next row got 1 shoted by the escorts and the last row in back managed to sail away on high speed. I left all alone against mad escorts and zig-zag'in ships. So that story on official forum is a result of an action hungry imagination. AI subs don't engage enemy ships, they dodge them.. is not the first time I see this. Same as the u-boot did that I posted in screenshot thread, where after I joined another AI u-boot and we found a convoy.. he dived and on max speed avoided any contact with the enemy.. after the convoy passed he surfaced again but bad luck.. the convoy had a battleship that one shoted him. So yeah, sadly there is no working wolfpack in the game, it's just an ilusion

05-31-10, 05:12 AM	#4
Herr_Pete Commodore Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 623 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	Sounds exactly the same as the 3 Wolfpacks I linked up with. Was really excited when we found our first convoy and then all of a sudden I noticed all the u-boats diving and they all broke off so yeah it was just me left with a cracking convoy. The wolfpack was 8 U-boats strong. 3 depth charged and 2 unknown deaths... Kick ass AI...

05-31-10, 05:23 AM	#6
Herr_Pete Commodore Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 623 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	this is a petty comment but i hate looking at the other u-boats and you can't see any crew on the conning tower. Just a ghost boats sailing around. Just seems odd.

05-31-10, 06:43 AM	#7
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I don't think I've seen one person here say that they've seen co-ordinated attacks on a convoy from AI U-boats. Conclusion: Wolfpacks are not working. And if this is hardcoded then only an official patch can fix it.

05-31-10, 10:31 AM	#10
walsh2509 XO Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 410 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	I made contact with an unescorted armed merchant convoy, at the juntion of 13w 53e there were 12 ships in the convoy. I only had 2 torps left , sunk 1 damaged a 2nd it was dead in the water. I was going to wait until the other had left suface behind the damaged merchant and sink her, I ran the clock forward 1 - 2 days had passed and the other were sailing in circles coming back to the damaged ship. I was about 100mts off it but with Pscope up at least 1 of the other ships would try to ram me. 2nd day in with my Pscope up 7 planes came over they were in a straight line and 1 after the other came in for an attack, I don't know if they seen my scope but several shots hit the damaged ship. With Co2 very high I sailed away until I was out of there sight, I stayed back just out of sight of these Merchants and for a week I sat there watching these ships sail away and back again to the merchant that was dead in there water. Every 4 hour of that week I sent a report, the icon with the envolpe and the icon of the ship I could send both and I did. After a week of sitting there watching this dance, no other uboats turned up. I set sail back to port.

05-31-10, 12:09 PM	#15
rik007 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 785 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	This is no Wolfpack as the concerted aspect - i.e. communication from/to BDU - is missing. It's a happy coincidence, a spontaneously gathering of u-boots. Let's call it a flock of u-boots.