What would you've done?

Herr-Berbunch · 08-09-10, 10:47 AM

This video is from the helmet cam of a motorbike rider who meets a state trooper, the last 30 seconds is all you need to view. The trooper (not in uniform or in a marked car) jumps out, pulls his gun and orders they guy off the bike several times before even stating he is State Police.

And the guy on the bike is in trouble, not the trooper, all because it's caught on camera!

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/state-tr...news-7690.html

Sailor Steve · 08-09-10, 11:01 AM

WIRETAPPING??!! I thought wiretapping required premeditation and intent. Unless they can prove he used a helmet cam to trick a cop - out of uniform and in an unmarked car) into pulling a gun on him I doubt they have a charge.

Here in Utah if he had shot the cop he probably would have gotten off with self defense. A random stranger pulls a gun on you and orders you to do what he says, and he's not in uniform? Even an unmarked car is required to be displaying flashing lights when involved in an arrest.

TLAM Strike · 08-09-10, 11:23 AM

I know a guy who grew up in Cali. When he was young he got pulled over for speeding. The ticket got thrown out of court because the CHP officer was not wearing his cover and thus "Out of Uniform".

I was watching COPS with him once and down in Texas I think some guy was not letting the cops in to his apartment and I commented that I would not either- they were not wearing their hats and had no badges! All they were wearing were shirts with police written on the sleeve and guns. I guess thats common in some places but here in NY they have badges or if they are State Troopers a really complicated quasi-military uniform.

Oberon · 08-09-10, 12:36 PM

One overzealous plain clothes officer there. However, the chap was speeding, can't deny that, but the way the arrest took place and the charges of wiretapping are completely screwy.

SteamWake · 08-09-10, 01:01 PM

Wouldent this recording not be admissable in court?

Perhaps the cop over reacted a bit but I dident see where he did anything really wrong. You never know when your a cop the guy might have drugged up and violent. He was acting erratically.

Herr-Berbunch · 08-09-10, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Wouldent this recording not be admissable in court?

Perhaps the cop over reacted a bit but I dident see where he did anything really wrong. You never know when your a cop the guy might have drugged up and violent. He was acting erratically.

Yeah, but the point is that some guy jumps out of his car and comes at you pointing a gun shouting 'get off the bike, get off the bike!', who's to say he's not some drugged up, violent thief?

ETR3(SS) · 08-09-10, 01:36 PM

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UPDATE:Maryland Attorney General has released an opinion that the wiretapping law does not apply, as police encounters are not private conversations. It was characterized: “seems an unlikely conclusion … particularly when they occur in a public place and involve the exercise of police powers.”

Spot on by the Maryland AG. Many officer's vehicles have dash mounted cameras and the cop wears a mic on his uniform. This is no different. If you'll notice, there was a marked vehicle and a uniformed trooper that was right behind our motorcyclist. So why did our gung-ho unmarked, out of uniform officer take it to that extreme? Also why the gun? There was absolutely no reason for the "trooper" to draw his weapon. I think he needs to go back to school and re-learn about the rules of deadly force.

Edit: About our motorcyclist, he was reckless in his motorcycle riding. Wheelies and doing 127mph gets people killed. Hell just riding a motorcycle can get you killed.

Sammi79 · 08-09-10, 02:16 PM

It never ceases to amaze me when people either video or photograph themselves breaking laws

though I don't see how that should be a crime in itself. Here in Plymouth I am videoed without my permission or any warning on almost every street - this must be the same throughout many American cities also. I have nothing to hide so I don't worry so much about it. The policeman in this video cannot be following correct protocol though, like he only remembers to say 'state trooper' as an afterthought possibly thinking to himself 'oh yeah, I'm not in uniform, that fella probably thinks I'm a mugger lol'.

I think people should be allowed to record their dealings with the police because it would help prevent the otherwise easy abuse of their powers, you know, 2 policemen stand up in court and say it was like that (lying) against the word of 1 citizen saying it wasn't (truth) obviously the judge takes the cops word over the citizens. Wouldn't it be great if the defence lawyer could say 'In that case your honour, we must now submit this audio/video recording which clearly shows that my client is telling the truth and cops A&B are lying...'

I think maybe we need more police to police the police that police the police...

August · 08-09-10, 02:23 PM

It's not the video i'll bet but rather the sound recording that caused the stink. Here in Massachusetts you can videotape in just about any situation but you can't legally record a conversation without all kinds of notifications and reminders.

nikimcbee · 08-09-10, 02:45 PM

Sounds like a fishing expedition for the DA.

Here, just pay the fine and move along.

nikimcbee · 08-09-10, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Spot on by the Maryland AG. Many officer's vehicles have dash mounted cameras and the cop wears a mic on his uniform. This is no different. If you'll notice, there was a marked vehicle and a uniformed trooper that was right behind our motorcyclist. So why did our gung-ho unmarked, out of uniform officer take it to that extreme? Also why the gun? There was absolutely no reason for the "trooper" to draw his weapon. I think he needs to go back to school and re-learn about the rules of deadly force.

Edit: About our motorcyclist, he was reckless in his motorcycle riding. Wheelies and doing 127mph gets people killed. Hell just riding a motorcycle can get you killed.

That is interesting to know.

AVGWarhawk · 08-09-10, 03:38 PM

Video or not...this clown on the bike needs to loose his bike and his license. I have seen these jerks doing wheelies on the beltway around Baltimore. They take chances between cars and trucks. They cut people off. The pass in between cars. It is a damn problem. Do not think for a minute he is only going to hurt himself. He has the potenial to cause a major accident and injury/death to others. As far as the video...glad he took it...it will look great in court.

As far as the trooper...I interviewed with the troopers way back when. A MD state trooper is always on duty. Always. He had every right to do what he did and he can do it in any part of MD. He is after all...a Maryland State Trooper....not Baltimore county trooper or Baltimore city trooper. I can not account for his pulling the gun. I do not know what the cause, whether pumped up over the pursuit or protocal for this type of stop, but it is what it is.

Also, there was a state trooper in a marked car on the scene at about a split second after he stopped and the trooper in his gray car made his stop. Looks cut and dry to me.....

08-09-10, 03:45 PM

Do the police have a reasonable expectation of privacy when in the performance of their duty? I sure hope not. If citizens cannot expect that right when outside their homes, how can the police expect it when performing their duty in public, outside the police station?

AVGWarhawk · 08-09-10, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

Do the police have a reasonable expectation of privacy when in the performance of their duty? I sure hope not. If citizens cannot expect that right when outside their homes, how can the police expect it when performing their duty in public, outside the police station?

There should be no right to privacy for the police. Things happen in public.

razark · 08-09-10, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Third Man

Do the police have a reasonable expectation of privacy when in the performance of their duty? I sure hope not. If citizens cannot expect that right when outside their homes, how can the police expect it when performing their duty in public, outside the police station?

Furthermore, the police are in the employment of the public. Doesn't the public have the right to know what they are doing? (Within reason. A traffic stop like this would be in public, but undercover work would obviously not be)

08-09-10, 10:47 AM	#1
Herr-Berbunch Kaiser Bill's batman Join Date: May 2010 Location: AN72 Posts: 13,203 Downloads: 76 Uploads: 0	What would you've done? This video is from the helmet cam of a motorbike rider who meets a state trooper, the last 30 seconds is all you need to view. The trooper (not in uniform or in a marked car) jumps out, pulls his gun and orders they guy off the bike several times before even stating he is State Police. And the guy on the bike is in trouble, not the trooper, all because it's caught on camera! http://www.tomsguide.com/us/state-tr...news-7690.html __________________

08-09-10, 11:01 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	WIRETAPPING??!! I thought wiretapping required premeditation and intent. Unless they can prove he used a helmet cam to trick a cop - out of uniform and in an unmarked car) into pulling a gun on him I doubt they have a charge. Here in Utah if he had shot the cop he probably would have gotten off with self defense. A random stranger pulls a gun on you and orders you to do what he says, and he's not in uniform? Even an unmarked car is required to be displaying flashing lights when involved in an arrest. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo Last edited by Sailor Steve; 08-09-10 at 11:35 AM. Reason: misspelling

08-09-10, 11:23 AM	#3
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	I know a guy who grew up in Cali. When he was young he got pulled over for speeding. The ticket got thrown out of court because the CHP officer was not wearing his cover and thus "Out of Uniform". I was watching COPS with him once and down in Texas I think some guy was not letting the cops in to his apartment and I commented that I would not either- they were not wearing their hats and had no badges! All they were wearing were shirts with police written on the sleeve and guns. I guess thats common in some places but here in NY they have badges or if they are State Troopers a really complicated quasi-military uniform. __________________

08-09-10, 01:01 PM	#5
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Wouldent this recording not be admissable in court? Perhaps the cop over reacted a bit but I dident see where he did anything really wrong. You never know when your a cop the guy might have drugged up and violent. He was acting erratically. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

08-09-10, 02:23 PM	#9
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	It's not the video i'll bet but rather the sound recording that caused the stink. Here in Massachusetts you can videotape in just about any situation but you can't legally record a conversation without all kinds of notifications and reminders. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

08-09-10, 12:36 PM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	One overzealous plain clothes officer there. However, the chap was speeding, can't deny that, but the way the arrest took place and the charges of wiretapping are completely screwy.

08-09-10, 02:16 PM	#8
Sammi79 XO Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Penzance Posts: 428 Downloads: 272 Uploads: 0	It never ceases to amaze me when people either video or photograph themselves breaking laws though I don't see how that should be a crime in itself. Here in Plymouth I am videoed without my permission or any warning on almost every street - this must be the same throughout many American cities also. I have nothing to hide so I don't worry so much about it. The policeman in this video cannot be following correct protocol though, like he only remembers to say 'state trooper' as an afterthought possibly thinking to himself 'oh yeah, I'm not in uniform, that fella probably thinks I'm a mugger lol'. I think people should be allowed to record their dealings with the police because it would help prevent the otherwise easy abuse of their powers, you know, 2 policemen stand up in court and say it was like that (lying) against the word of 1 citizen saying it wasn't (truth) obviously the judge takes the cops word over the citizens. Wouldn't it be great if the defence lawyer could say 'In that case your honour, we must now submit this audio/video recording which clearly shows that my client is telling the truth and cops A&B are lying...' I think maybe we need more police to police the police that police the police...

08-09-10, 02:45 PM	#10
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Sounds like a fishing expedition for the DA. Here, just pay the fine and move along. __________________

08-09-10, 03:38 PM	#12
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Video or not...this clown on the bike needs to loose his bike and his license. I have seen these jerks doing wheelies on the beltway around Baltimore. They take chances between cars and trucks. They cut people off. The pass in between cars. It is a damn problem. Do not think for a minute he is only going to hurt himself. He has the potenial to cause a major accident and injury/death to others. As far as the video...glad he took it...it will look great in court. As far as the trooper...I interviewed with the troopers way back when. A MD state trooper is always on duty. Always. He had every right to do what he did and he can do it in any part of MD. He is after all...a Maryland State Trooper....not Baltimore county trooper or Baltimore city trooper. I can not account for his pulling the gun. I do not know what the cause, whether pumped up over the pursuit or protocal for this type of stop, but it is what it is. Also, there was a state trooper in a marked car on the scene at about a split second after he stopped and the trooper in his gray car made his stop. Looks cut and dry to me..... __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

08-09-10, 03:45 PM	#13
The Third Man Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Do the police have a reasonable expectation of privacy when in the performance of their duty? I sure hope not. If citizens cannot expect that right when outside their homes, how can the police expect it when performing their duty in public, outside the police station?