Love hurts

[Skybird]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10751899

A mass panic at the love parade in Duisburg killed at least 15 during a stampede in a tunnel. the festival was decided to run on to avoid another, even bigger panic when breaking off too abruptly. Instead, people left in small groups, with many still partying and not even knowing what was happening.

The inner town of Duisburg currently faces pure chaos due to masses of people trying to move out. The central train station has broken down. Cellphone networks also collapsed.

[Jimbuna]

Beaten by nearly an hour (topic wise but not detail)

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=172814

Oh, and a real tragedy

[Skybird]

I wanted to avoid that thread, due to the quoted comments.

[Tchocky]

Drove through Duisburg this morning, feels weird.

Horrible thing to happen, reminds me of Roskilde

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I wanted to avoid that thread, due to the quoted comments.

Yeah...understandable

[Schroeder]

I never thought I would see something like that in Germany.
Absolutely tragic.

[Skybird]

Now 18 dead, 100 injured.

Massive accusations start to get fired at the organisers, they chose a place with just one entrance, that was big enough for only 350 thousand - although they expected more than 1 million from beginning on. Estimations say in the end there have been 2 million. Warnings to the police that the situation in the entrance tunnel became critical, were dismissed with pointing repsonsibility for that back to the organisers. Duisburg has a population of 490 thousand

[Skybird]

Murderous dilletantism:

what incompetent a#####e considered it to be a good idea to make this 300m-long tunnel the only entry/exit option through which the 1 million people the planners expected had to press in and out? In the end there should have been close to 2 million people visiting the event - all of them moving through this :


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I am no expert for panic research, but even me as a layman immediately can identify the problem and the risk from photos of the same place before the event, when there were almost no people around. But the panic analyst of the organising committee claims they could not have forseen that...? They received warnings by people who escaped the tunnel hours before the disaster, and local residents called the police telling them that if they try to bring so many people through that bottleneck, that this necessarily must end in a disaster sooner or later.

Such murderous incompetence and intentional naivety makes me very angry. Those forming and willing these decisions should be sued for man slaughter.

Wie kann man nur so saublöd sein. Some people should be forbidden to procreate.

Last official numbers: 19 dead, 340 physically injured, scores of hundreds traumatised to differing degrees.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Skybird

love parade

Decadence.
In the US yes, but I would have never thought that sort of thing could happen in Germany.
Poor people...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Alex

Decadence.

I am no fan of the love parade. I hate rave music. I do not like taking drugs in public, and getting drunk at noontime. However, many people visiting that event are not like that, they just want to do what they consider to be a big party. I still do not like it, but that is no reason why I should not see the tragedy here, even if you always have to take into account the effects of mass panics when you go to a place with hundreds of thousands of people in the audience - in this case, the outcome was not just becasue an inherent risk that can only be minimised but cannot completely be avoided, but it was provoked by the organisers.

I also oppose the dirty comments that were quoted in the other thread, and that you can find in the internet about pigs and homosexuals finding their well-deserved end. The Love Parade is a rave party, not the Christopher Street Day. And concerning the latter, I still wpould not will, or even wish them death and panic. Just that they would stop to provoke with their freaky behavior that is a disgrace to their cause and an offence to many homosexuals who dispise the CSD right for what it is: a parade of idiotic, provokating freaks who think they are the navel of the universe and must violate cultural taboos in our society, no matter the cost.

[Alex]

I concur.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Murderous dilletantism:

what incompetent a#####e considered it to be a good idea to make this 300m-long tunnel the only entry/exit option through which the 1 million people the planners expected had to press in and out? In the end there should have been close to 2 million people visiting the event - all of them moving through this :


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I am no expert for panic research, but even me as a layman immediately can identify the problem and the risk from photos of the same place before the event, when there were almost no people around. But the panic analyst of the organising committee claims they could not have forseen that...? They received warnings by people who escaped the tunnel hours before the disaster, and local residents called the police telling them that if they try to bring so many people through that bottleneck, that this necessarily must end in a disaster sooner or later.

Such murderous incompetence and intentional naivety makes me very angry. Those forming and willing these decisions should be sued for man slaughter.

Wie kann man nur so saublöd sein. Some people should be forbidden to procreate.

Last official numbers: 19 dead, 340 physically injured, scores of hundreds traumatised to differing degrees.

Must agree here Sky.....incompetence of the highest order/degree.

The best chance of not seeing a repeat is to identify those responsible and make an example of them

I also oppose the dirty comments that were quoted in the other thread

Yet some of them mirror Skys regular comments.

Some people should be forbidden to procreate.

If it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck.......
So is it reading from that old book again?

[tater]

Originally Posted by Alex

Decadence.
In the US yes, but I would have never thought that sort of thing could happen in Germany.
Poor people...

WTF.

Why would this happen more in the US, exactly? I cannot imagine a US city Fire Marshall allowing this event with no emergency exits. Stampede deaths in the US are rare, and tend to actually happen in large venues far better designed for egress that that place (an accident waiting to happen, WTF were they thinking?)—like stadiums. In that case, it's just panic, all it takes is LOCAL crowding to result in injuries or deaths.

It's amazing the toll at that tunnel is as low as it is, frankly.

[August]

Originally Posted by tater

WTF.

Why would this happen more in the US, exactly? I cannot imagine a US city Fire Marshall allowing this event with no emergency exits. Stampede deaths in the US are rare, and tend to actually happen in large venues far better designed for egress that that place (an accident waiting to happen, WTF were they thinking?)—like stadiums. In that case, it's just panic, all it takes is LOCAL crowding to result in injuries or deaths.

It's amazing the toll at that tunnel is as low as it is, frankly.

Agreed. I'm surprised that the German government doesn't already have regulations prohibiting this. Yeah the organizers are at fault but who approved their permits?