No sonar ping visible?

Tamaris · 06-27-10, 06:59 AM

It took a while before I encountered some escort ships in campaign and realized there are no enemy sonar ping/signature direction sources visible on the map? I am pretty sure it was the case in stock game?

I use patched RFB and RSRD campaign.

Please help!

Andy

Fish40 · 06-27-10, 09:09 AM

If I'm not mistaken, RFB removes the Sonar lines ect.. for realism purposes. There is a mod/update to RFB which puts them back in the game.

Tamaris · 06-27-10, 01:22 PM

Thanks - it works, but it seems there are some problems as it is designed for RFB 2.0 and I got it patched...In the future I'l install it in regular order...

Rockin Robbins · 06-27-10, 01:50 PM

That makes sense. [/sarcasm] Certainly World War II active sonar had no directional detection capability. It just bugs me how certain people think that not only should you operate with a paper bag over your head, but with earplugs as well for "100% realism." Hogwash.

You can install TMOplot to get TMO's great plotting system that is as close to real as SH4 is capable of producing. It's not perfect, but it beats the paper bag and earplugs.

Nisgeis · 06-27-10, 02:20 PM

The display for FM scanning sonar was certainly interesting to see. It sort of looked like radar, but with a swirl.

Tamaris · 06-27-10, 03:32 PM

Dear RR, I like realism but since I left the game aside for some time after patching and installing mods, I was confused with deleted sonar traces of ships when submerged. As a matter of fact - I salute it considering modest AI of enemy escort ships. Besides graphics, I liked original SH CE more and run it from time to time...Cheers and thanks chaps!

Rockin Robbins · 06-27-10, 09:42 PM

Seems like we've modded so much we're quite willing to toss the baby with the bathwater and then somehow call it realistic. This game is hard-wired in some really unfortunate ways. When the price of eliminating GPS perfect visual sightings is losing aircraft radar and slowing the game so much that you have to pause the game to plot everything by hand you've taken a reasonable compromise and made it into a debacle.

When you're so obsessed about the length of sonar lines fixing the position of targets that you eliminate the lines, you lose the ability to tell the direction of the target. Again, you've taken a defect and converted it into a farce. Of COURSE real subs could determine the direction of sounds. If you can't, you lose the ability to claim realism.

Just don't plot positions based on the length of the sonar lines. Just don't plot positions of visual targets. Take independent sightings, use active sonar and use those. But to lose all senses in the name of realism is a very unfunny joke. Real is isn't.

I'm goin' down · 06-29-10, 11:56 AM

Tell me one thing, please. How is a sonar "ping" visible? (I have "heard" the ping, but I have never seen one. I even looked in my garden, but could not see one.)

Fish40 · 06-29-10, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by I'm goin' down

Tell me one thing, please. How is a sonar "ping" visible? (I have "heard" the ping, but I have never seen one. I even looked in my garden, but could not see one.)

It's not. At least to my knowlege. I can't see the big deal with removeing the lines. There was no such thing that I recall in WWII where sonar lines were plotted and measured on a map to determine range. Unless I'm missing something here.

06-27-10, 06:59 AM	#1
Tamaris Swabbie Join Date: May 2010 Location: Croatia Posts: 10 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	No sonar ping visible? It took a while before I encountered some escort ships in campaign and realized there are no enemy sonar ping/signature direction sources visible on the map? I am pretty sure it was the case in stock game? I use patched RFB and RSRD campaign. Please help! Andy

06-27-10, 01:50 PM	#4
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	That makes sense. [/sarcasm] Certainly World War II active sonar had no directional detection capability. It just bugs me how certain people think that not only should you operate with a paper bag over your head, but with earplugs as well for "100% realism." Hogwash. You can install TMOplot to get TMO's great plotting system that is as close to real as SH4 is capable of producing. It's not perfect, but it beats the paper bag and earplugs. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

06-27-10, 02:20 PM	#5
Nisgeis Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 2,909 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 11	The display for FM scanning sonar was certainly interesting to see. It sort of looked like radar, but with a swirl. __________________ -------------------------------- This space left intentionally blank.

06-27-10, 09:42 PM	#7
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Seems like we've modded so much we're quite willing to toss the baby with the bathwater and then somehow call it realistic. This game is hard-wired in some really unfortunate ways. When the price of eliminating GPS perfect visual sightings is losing aircraft radar and slowing the game so much that you have to pause the game to plot everything by hand you've taken a reasonable compromise and made it into a debacle. When you're so obsessed about the length of sonar lines fixing the position of targets that you eliminate the lines, you lose the ability to tell the direction of the target. Again, you've taken a defect and converted it into a farce. Of COURSE real subs could determine the direction of sounds. If you can't, you lose the ability to claim realism. Just don't plot positions based on the length of the sonar lines. Just don't plot positions of visual targets. Take independent sightings, use active sonar and use those. But to lose all senses in the name of realism is a very unfunny joke. Real is isn't. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

06-29-10, 11:56 AM	#8
I'm goin' down Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Notify command we have entered the Grass Sea Posts: 2,822 Downloads: 813 Uploads: 0	insignificant question Tell me one thing, please. How is a sonar "ping" visible? (I have "heard" the ping, but I have never seen one. I even looked in my garden, but could not see one.)

06-27-10, 09:09 AM	#2
Fish40 The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yonkers, NY U.S.A. Posts: 1,507 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	If I'm not mistaken, RFB removes the Sonar lines ect.. for realism purposes. There is a mod/update to RFB which puts them back in the game.

06-27-10, 01:22 PM	#3
Tamaris Swabbie Join Date: May 2010 Location: Croatia Posts: 10 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Thanks - it works, but it seems there are some problems as it is designed for RFB 2.0 and I got it patched...In the future I'l install it in regular order...

06-27-10, 03:32 PM	#6
Tamaris Swabbie Join Date: May 2010 Location: Croatia Posts: 10 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Dear RR, I like realism but since I left the game aside for some time after patching and installing mods, I was confused with deleted sonar traces of ships when submerged. As a matter of fact - I salute it considering modest AI of enemy escort ships. Besides graphics, I liked original SH CE more and run it from time to time...Cheers and thanks chaps!