The President has a new enemy...

GoldenRivet · 06-22-10, 10:25 PM

Arizona

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/po...-96839529.html

Federal Government Sues Arizona over State Law.

And informs Arizona, formally, via Ecuadorian Television

Seth8530 · 06-22-10, 10:57 PM

Seems like another swipe at State's rights to me. First the offshore drilling ban and now the FEDERAL gov is suing a STATE government because it passed a law that interferes with the presidents agenda. If i was the governor of Arizona i would defend the legislation with national guard troops if necessary. Those soldiers are the state's troops not the fed govs!

06-22-10, 11:01 PM

Why are people so against Arizona enacting its right to create tougher laws on immigration? Nobody said crap about Missouri getting tough on immigration back in 2008. Missouri's immigration laws are even tougher than the one that Arizona just passed! Check out the state laws in Missouri... It's a crime to transport, employ, house, feed, etc any illegal immigrant in the state of Missouri. They will even fine or shut down employers and companies that give jobs to illegal immigrants.

The federal government will lose their case because all Arizona has to say is, "So, it's o.k. for Missouri to establish and enforce tougher immigration laws, but not us?".

What pisses me off the most here is that the federal government means tax dollars will be used to fight this court battle out. Even Arizonian tax payers will be paying the federal government to turn around and sue them with their own tax dollars! How ridiculous is that! American tax payers should stand up and protest this BS in their streets and outside Obama's window at the white house.

"NO WAY!!! WE WON'T PAY!!!"

krashkart · 06-22-10, 11:11 PM

The administration really has its hands full these days. I don't have a problem with Arizona's new laws, as long as they are enforced appropriately. The controversy surrounding the laws is what upsets me. There should be less effort expended on expressing outrage about it and more put into learning about it. Then pick out the juicy points of contention.

BTW, anybody have a link to those laws? I usually don't look into these things but I'm curious now.

MrYenko · 06-22-10, 11:30 PM

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

The shrill screams of racism and profiling are from people who have never bothered to read it, and are relying on the Democrat party's pocket shills in the media to maintain the illusion that the bill is something that, by its own text, it clearly is not.

Another day in Washington, really.

Weiss Pinguin · 06-22-10, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Federal Government Sues Arizona over State Law.

Out of curiosity, how often does this sort of thing happen/how many times has it happened?

Not knowing a thing about it, it seems a little extreme.

MrYenko · 06-22-10, 11:44 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soverei..._United_States

krashkart · 06-22-10, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MrYenko

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

The shrill screams of racism and profiling are from people who have never bothered to read it, and are relying on the Democrat party's pocket shills in the media to maintain the illusion that the bill is something that, by its own text, it clearly is not.

Another day in Washington, really.

Thank you MrYenko.

06-23-10, 12:32 AM

It would be easy to say that you have an Idiot in The White House.
But I think a more accurate title would be Traitor.

They know exactly what they are doing in delibeately HOLDING that border open.

krashkart · 06-23-10, 01:16 AM

The term I use is 'Doofus' -- or 'doofii' when referring to Washington as a larger entity. Calling him a traitor is a bit rash for me at this point. I'll let history sort that one out.

Zachstar · 06-23-10, 01:40 AM

Ahh good the bad state of Arizona will now get to prove that the law isn't racist and something other than "Show me your papers"

06-23-10, 02:25 AM

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Why are people so against Arizona enacting its right to create tougher laws on immigration?

Because the law ain't gonna work and is just about impossible to enforce without violating civil rights. Which also makes it unconstitutional so that means the ferderal government has to take action against it.

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The shrill screams of racism and profiling are from people who have never bothered to read it

Well done, thats the second time someone has done that

krashkart · 06-23-10, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Well done, thats the second time someone has done that

It's so true that it made me chuckle a bit. I must have missed the first one, though.

06-23-10, 02:39 AM

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It's so true that it made me chuckle a bit. I must have missed the first one, though.

The first one was even funnier as they provided that same link, then after some ridicule provided the new legislation in a second link yet insisted the first link was really the same as the second link and that it was the second link they posted first.

Platapus · 06-23-10, 06:47 AM

If the Arizona is so sure its law is constitutional, why is Arizona concerned about getting sued by the Federal Government?

If people on this forum are also convinced that the Arizona law is constitutional, why get upset if it is challenged.

Let the case go to trial and let the judicial system decide. That's how things are SUPPOSED to work in this country.

If there is a disagreement between states and the federal government, we don't take up arms (as has been suggested in this forum). Civilized governments bring their disagreements to the judicial system and each side is allowed to present their case. No violence, no rioting

People get spun up here way too easy.

06-22-10, 10:25 PM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	The President has a new enemy... Arizona http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/po...-96839529.html Federal Government Sues Arizona over State Law. And informs Arizona, formally, via Ecuadorian Television __________________

06-22-10, 10:57 PM	#2
Seth8530 Captain Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tennessee Posts: 546 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	Seems like another swipe at State's rights to me. First the offshore drilling ban and now the FEDERAL gov is suing a STATE government because it passed a law that interferes with the presidents agenda. If i was the governor of Arizona i would defend the legislation with national guard troops if necessary. Those soldiers are the state's troops not the fed govs! __________________

06-22-10, 11:11 PM	#4
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	The administration really has its hands full these days. I don't have a problem with Arizona's new laws, as long as they are enforced appropriately. The controversy surrounding the laws is what upsets me. There should be less effort expended on expressing outrage about it and more put into learning about it. Then pick out the juicy points of contention. BTW, anybody have a link to those laws? I usually don't look into these things but I'm curious now. __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

06-22-10, 11:30 PM	#5
MrYenko Watch Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 30 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf The shrill screams of racism and profiling are from people who have never bothered to read it, and are relying on the Democrat party's pocket shills in the media to maintain the illusion that the bill is something that, by its own text, it clearly is not. Another day in Washington, really. __________________ Audentes fortuna juvat

06-22-10, 11:44 PM	#7
MrYenko Watch Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 30 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soverei..._United_States __________________ Audentes fortuna juvat

06-22-10, 11:01 PM	#3
thorn69 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Why are people so against Arizona enacting its right to create tougher laws on immigration? Nobody said crap about Missouri getting tough on immigration back in 2008. Missouri's immigration laws are even tougher than the one that Arizona just passed! Check out the state laws in Missouri... It's a crime to transport, employ, house, feed, etc any illegal immigrant in the state of Missouri. They will even fine or shut down employers and companies that give jobs to illegal immigrants. The federal government will lose their case because all Arizona has to say is, "So, it's o.k. for Missouri to establish and enforce tougher immigration laws, but not us?". What pisses me off the most here is that the federal government means tax dollars will be used to fight this court battle out. Even Arizonian tax payers will be paying the federal government to turn around and sue them with their own tax dollars! How ridiculous is that! American tax payers should stand up and protest this BS in their streets and outside Obama's window at the white house. "NO WAY!!! WE WON'T PAY!!!"

06-23-10, 12:32 AM	#9
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	It would be easy to say that you have an Idiot in The White House. But I think a more accurate title would be Traitor. They know exactly what they are doing in delibeately HOLDING that border open.

06-23-10, 01:16 AM	#10
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	The term I use is 'Doofus' -- or 'doofii' when referring to Washington as a larger entity. Calling him a traitor is a bit rash for me at this point. I'll let history sort that one out. __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

06-23-10, 01:40 AM	#11
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Ahh good the bad state of Arizona will now get to prove that the law isn't racist and something other than "Show me your papers" __________________

06-23-10, 06:47 AM	#15
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,361 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	If the Arizona is so sure its law is constitutional, why is Arizona concerned about getting sued by the Federal Government? If people on this forum are also convinced that the Arizona law is constitutional, why get upset if it is challenged. Let the case go to trial and let the judicial system decide. That's how things are SUPPOSED to work in this country. If there is a disagreement between states and the federal government, we don't take up arms (as has been suggested in this forum). Civilized governments bring their disagreements to the judicial system and each side is allowed to present their case. No violence, no rioting People get spun up here way too easy. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.