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Skybird · 05-20-10, 05:10 PM

A movie that seems to show faces of war that you do not get shown in the glossy news on Fox and CNN. the film made an appearance in Cannes, immediately rose controversy, and seems to get discussed passionately in Denmark. The camera followed a unit of Danish elite soldiers in Afghanistan. the result in video material appears like a description of how war turns men into dogs. and that is very much a challenge to the Danish - and Western - self-definition and understanding of what one believes to do over there.

The trailer - in English - can be seen in the video box in the middle of the article.

http://www.fr-online.de/top_news/266...eschichte.html

Quote:

"It's not help them. This does not help a damn thing!"

I do not engage in the political controversy unfolding, I still have not seen the movie. I just think it is a good film of documentary character, showing not so much the Afghanistan war in full scale and reach, but what war does with people - even if these people see themselves as shining heroes.

Krieg vertiert. (Egon Bahr)

Happy Times · 05-20-10, 05:46 PM

War to man is as natural as eating and sleeping.
We live in tribes and there will never be world peace, the strongest will survive.
Period.

GoldenRivet · 05-20-10, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Happy Times

War to man is as natural as eating and sleeping.
We live in tribes and there will never be world peace, the strongest will survive.
Period.

agreed

Skybird · 05-20-10, 06:02 PM

that may be true or not, but it does not change a thing in that war does not enoble men, but turns out the worst in them.

Is war natural? Yes and no. It's mankind's most favourite hobby. It's also an exoistential need people have met very often. And still it takes considerable ammounts of time, tricks and manipulation, and last but not least: deadening senses/minds/scruples, to make young men agreeing to committing deeds of war, like killing othee humans.

It sounds way too loose the way you put it, Happy Times.

CaptainHaplo · 05-20-10, 06:48 PM

War brings out both the worst and best in men. To say otherwise - well - its easy to do if you have never been there. I agree it can bring out an ugly vileness that is hardly recognizable. It can also bring out the most self sacrificing, giving care that you can imagine.

The reality is that war is ugly - and thus it takes men willing to get their hands dirty to fight it. If your fighting a war fairly - your not fighting to win. War is a life or death struggle. Win or die.... with those stakes on the line, unless you have been under fire - you have no concept of what it is like. And cannot - no matter how you intellectually examine it.

Its not the bullet with your name on it that you have to worry about....
Its all the ones marked "To Whom It May Concern" that always worried me. But worrying isn't going to stop them from flying - what will is putting an end to the guy firing them.......

Sailor Steve · 05-20-10, 06:59 PM

^ What he said.

Jimbuna · 05-21-10, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

War brings out both the worst and best in men. To say otherwise - well - its easy to do if you have never been there. I agree it can bring out an ugly vileness that is hardly recognizable. It can also bring out the most self sacrificing, giving care that you can imagine.

The reality is that war is ugly - and thus it takes men willing to get their hands dirty to fight it. If your fighting a war fairly - your not fighting to win. War is a life or death struggle. Win or die.... with those stakes on the line, unless you have been under fire - you have no concept of what it is like. And cannot - no matter how you intellectually examine it.

Its not the bullet with your name on it that you have to worry about....
Its all the ones marked "To Whom It May Concern" that always worried me. But worrying isn't going to stop them from flying - what will is putting an end to the guy firing them.......

Precisely

05-20-10, 05:46 PM	#2
Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	War to man is as natural as eating and sleeping. We live in tribes and there will never be world peace, the strongest will survive. Period. __________________

05-20-10, 06:02 PM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	that may be true or not, but it does not change a thing in that war does not enoble men, but turns out the worst in them. Is war natural? Yes and no. It's mankind's most favourite hobby. It's also an exoistential need people have met very often. And still it takes considerable ammounts of time, tricks and manipulation, and last but not least: deadening senses/minds/scruples, to make young men agreeing to committing deeds of war, like killing othee humans. It sounds way too loose the way you put it, Happy Times. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-20-10, 06:48 PM	#5
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	War brings out both the worst and best in men. To say otherwise - well - its easy to do if you have never been there. I agree it can bring out an ugly vileness that is hardly recognizable. It can also bring out the most self sacrificing, giving care that you can imagine. The reality is that war is ugly - and thus it takes men willing to get their hands dirty to fight it. If your fighting a war fairly - your not fighting to win. War is a life or death struggle. Win or die.... with those stakes on the line, unless you have been under fire - you have no concept of what it is like. And cannot - no matter how you intellectually examine it. Its not the bullet with your name on it that you have to worry about.... Its all the ones marked "To Whom It May Concern" that always worried me. But worrying isn't going to stop them from flying - what will is putting an end to the guy firing them....... __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

05-20-10, 06:59 PM	#6
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	^ What he said. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo