Das Boot and Silent Hunter 3

Bothersome · 04-14-10, 09:29 PM

Well, After 3 days of searching I finally got to see the movie "Das Boot". I'd have to say, it is the best submarine movie I have ever seen. Very suspenseful.

And on that note, I'd like to say to all the SH3 & SH4 fans out there, that you really need to see that movie. I think SH3 was created to to simulate that movie. In GWX3, you will see things in the game that look straight out of the movie. I'm very impressed.

The only thing I noticed, that I must have watched the Americanized version because the hand-written notes that were shown, were in English and so were the credits at the end of the movie. Does anyone know if these were originally in German?

lafeeverted · 04-14-10, 09:44 PM

yes they were. Are you sure the written notes were in English?

U-48Kriegsmarine · 04-14-10, 10:00 PM

Really, English? I have the directors cut, and all the notes are in German.

Ducimus · 04-14-10, 10:05 PM

>>I think SH3 was created to to simulate that movie.

Personally i think SH5 more resembles the movie then SH3, or at least, was a more blatant effort at it.

Bothersome · 04-14-10, 10:15 PM

Yes, my version has English notes in it. I was actually able to read it.

I had seen a preview (30% or so) of the movie that didn't have an English text sub-channel across the bottom. If I remember correctly, they were in German. It must have been the original version. But still it was great movie even if they cut and spliced us some English notes. Still, it takes away from its authenticity and originality. Some things you just shouldn't improve upon.

Ducimus, I never got to play SH5 yet. My computer isn't strong enough for that one. It was JUST strong enough to have SH3 running at 16X TC while the movie was playing in Media Player Classic.

That's one of the good things about SH3. It only sips the processor time. Leaving plenty for other tasks like typing this in for this forum.

pickinthebanjo · 04-14-10, 10:28 PM

when i saw it I watched it in german. My german isn't that great since iv'e been living in canada so I only caught bits and peices, I think i'm gonna dl it again since iv'e been re-learning the language

Ducimus · 04-14-10, 10:30 PM

Well, lets put it this way. in SH5, your chiefs wife is sick, your XO is a hardliner with firm belief they'll win the war, and your engineer back with the engines is complete with black hat, and obession over the engines. If he cracks under a depth charge attack remains to be seen.

KL-alfman · 04-15-10, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Well, lets put it this way. in SH5, your chiefs wife is sick, your XO is a hardliner with firm belief they'll win the war, and your engineer back with the engines is complete with black hat, and obession over the engines. If he cracks under a depth charge attack remains to be seen.

[it's a bit off-topic]
do you think, that these RPG-elements could be stripped off? I really don't care about the "feelings" or political attitudes of the crew-members. to some it might add "immersion", to me it's boring and non-essential in a sim I'd like to play.
or is this whole crew-management and "morale"-thingy hard-coded and indespensable?
[/off-topic]

Sailor Steve · 04-15-10, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Bothersome

And on that note, I'd like to say to all the SH3 & SH4 fans out there, that you really need to see that movie.

Most of us have - at least the older ones. I saw it in the theater in 1982, and I own a copy of every version.

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I think SH3 was created to to simulate that movie. In GWX3, you will see things in the game that look straight out of the movie. I'm very impressed.

Aces Of The Deep was created to simulate the movie. Their emergency dive order is as close as they could get in 1994, sound-wise. SH2 and SH3 certainly, and, as mentioned, SH5 even more so.

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The only thing I noticed, that I must have watched the Americanized version because the hand-written notes that were shown, were in English and so were the credits at the end of the movie. Does anyone know if these were originally in German?

Were the voices in English as well? The original theatrical version here in the US was dubbed into English, and the notes were as well so they wouldn't need subtitles. I don't think that version was ever on DVD though.

The Director's Cut I would have to look at again, but the 5-hour 'Original, Uncut' version it is certainly in German (but I haven't watched it in the dubbed format - it may be different).

frau kaleun · 04-15-10, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The Director's Cut I would have to look at again, but the 5-hour 'Original, Uncut' version it is certainly in German (but I haven't watched it in the dubbed format - it may be different).

On the director's cut DVD I have, the scenes showing written info (der Alte's log entries, f'rinstance) show the original footage with the handwriting in German and subtitles to translate it. Same with the uncut mini-series version. That's a definite if you're watching with German language audio.

Given that the DVDs aren't that "high end" in terms of content I doubt there's any kind of alternate video with handwriting in English for those scenes.

Bothersome · 04-15-10, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Were the voices in English as well? The original theatrical version here in the US was dubbed into English, and the notes were as well so they wouldn't need subtitles. I don't think that version was ever on DVD though.

The Director's Cut I would have to look at again, but the 5-hour 'Original, Uncut' version it is certainly in German (but I haven't watched it in the dubbed format - it may be different).

Awww Man!! I didn't know there was a "5 Hour Version" out there. Now I got to see if I can find that one. Mine was like 2 hours and some minutes. I can see more money falling out of my wallet. Why can't the editors just leave a masterpiece alone???

Yes the voices were in German.

frau kaleun · 04-15-10, 11:08 AM

When they filmed Das Boot, the intention was to make both a miniseries to be shown on television and a shorter film version for a theatrical release.

What you saw may have been the original theatrical release, which came out in 1981 (1982 in the US) and ran about 2 1/2 hours. IIRC it was shorter than director Wolfgang Petersen wanted, but was cut down to emphasize the "action" over other elements of the story.

The uncut miniseries version that was eventually shown on television runs about 5 hours.

Director Wolfgang Peterson also cut a second shorter version, the so-called Director's Cut, which was released theatrically in 1997 and runs about 3 1/2 hours.

Both the Director's Cut and the uncut 5 hour versions are now available on DVD - I don't think the original shorter film version has ever been released on DVD but some folks no doubt still have it on VHS.

If you have only seen the 2 1/2 hour version, you have only seen about half of the Das Boot available to be seen. The Director's Cut is readily available as a rental from Netflix and most decent brick & mortar places should have a copy. The uncut 5 hour version... well, if you're in the US you'll probably have to buy it or borrow it from someone who already has it. I got a copy from Amazon and it wasn't that bad, $35-40 IIRC.

KL-alfman · 04-15-10, 11:36 AM

you indeed know a lot about that movie!
thx for sharing, it seems this film might be one of your favourites ....

danke schön!

frau kaleun · 04-15-10, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KL-alfman

you indeed know a lot about that movie!
thx for sharing, it seems this film might be one of your favourites ....

danke schön!

I'm a movie geek.

But, yes, this is indeed one of my favorites, in fact I'd say it's currently in a tie for the #1 spot.

Officially I will tell you that my other #1 favorite movie is Seven Samurai.

(Unofficially, it's actually Kung Fu Panda. But we'll pretend I didn't admit that.)

Sailor Steve · 04-15-10, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

I'm a movie geek.

I'm losing ground fast here. It used to me that everyone pointed at and said "He knows everything about Das Boot"! But you do too.

My all-time favorite movie is the 1974 and '75 Richard Lester version of The Three Musketeers and The Four Musketeers. They have a lot of slapstic, but stick closer to the book than any other version I've seen.

I only say that because I love the beginning, but every time I try to watch the beginning I get suckered into sitting still for the whole thing.

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U-48Kriegsmarine Planesman Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Far Far Down at the Bottom of the Sea Posts: 185 Downloads: 339 Uploads: 0	Really, English? I have the directors cut, and all the notes are in German. __________________ Stay Cool, its only a depth Charge

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KL-alfman Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Weimar Posts: 930 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	you indeed know a lot about that movie! thx for sharing, it seems this film might be one of your favourites .... danke schön! __________________ Life, Liberty and Property!

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Bothersome Planesman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 194 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Das Boot and Silent Hunter 3 Well, After 3 days of searching I finally got to see the movie "Das Boot". I'd have to say, it is the best submarine movie I have ever seen. Very suspenseful. And on that note, I'd like to say to all the SH3 & SH4 fans out there, that you really need to see that movie. I think SH3 was created to to simulate that movie. In GWX3, you will see things in the game that look straight out of the movie. I'm very impressed. The only thing I noticed, that I must have watched the Americanized version because the hand-written notes that were shown, were in English and so were the credits at the end of the movie. Does anyone know if these were originally in German?

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lafeeverted Chief Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 329 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	yes they were. Are you sure the written notes were in English?

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	>>I think SH3 was created to to simulate that movie. Personally i think SH5 more resembles the movie then SH3, or at least, was a more blatant effort at it.

04-14-10, 10:15 PM	#5
Bothersome Planesman Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 194 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Yes, my version has English notes in it. I was actually able to read it. I had seen a preview (30% or so) of the movie that didn't have an English text sub-channel across the bottom. If I remember correctly, they were in German. It must have been the original version. But still it was great movie even if they cut and spliced us some English notes. Still, it takes away from its authenticity and originality. Some things you just shouldn't improve upon. Ducimus, I never got to play SH5 yet. My computer isn't strong enough for that one. It was JUST strong enough to have SH3 running at 16X TC while the movie was playing in Media Player Classic. That's one of the good things about SH3. It only sips the processor time. Leaving plenty for other tasks like typing this in for this forum.

04-14-10, 10:28 PM	#6
pickinthebanjo Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 651 Downloads: 282 Uploads: 0	when i saw it I watched it in german. My german isn't that great since iv'e been living in canada so I only caught bits and peices, I think i'm gonna dl it again since iv'e been re-learning the language

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Well, lets put it this way. in SH5, your chiefs wife is sick, your XO is a hardliner with firm belief they'll win the war, and your engineer back with the engines is complete with black hat, and obession over the engines. If he cracks under a depth charge attack remains to be seen.

04-15-10, 11:08 AM	#12
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	When they filmed Das Boot, the intention was to make both a miniseries to be shown on television and a shorter film version for a theatrical release. What you saw may have been the original theatrical release, which came out in 1981 (1982 in the US) and ran about 2 1/2 hours. IIRC it was shorter than director Wolfgang Petersen wanted, but was cut down to emphasize the "action" over other elements of the story. The uncut miniseries version that was eventually shown on television runs about 5 hours. Director Wolfgang Peterson also cut a second shorter version, the so-called Director's Cut, which was released theatrically in 1997 and runs about 3 1/2 hours. Both the Director's Cut and the uncut 5 hour versions are now available on DVD - I don't think the original shorter film version has ever been released on DVD but some folks no doubt still have it on VHS. If you have only seen the 2 1/2 hour version, you have only seen about half of the Das Boot available to be seen. The Director's Cut is readily available as a rental from Netflix and most decent brick & mortar places should have a copy. The uncut 5 hour version... well, if you're in the US you'll probably have to buy it or borrow it from someone who already has it. I got a copy from Amazon and it wasn't that bad, $35-40 IIRC.