Thinking aloud, the devs helped us...?

Thunder · 03-21-10, 03:00 AM

Yeah, i have the game(even with crappy internet here) and have played a total of once (afaik I'm still in the Kiel canal.)

I've been reading alot about the reports and the bugs and the hated DRM , and find myself nodding quietly, going yeah, wait for the modders....

Then i occurred to me the devs might have helped us. They ran out of time, money etc, the reasons which have been covered as nauseaum, but...

after seeing alot of what modders have found under the hood, half implemented ideas, AI's, animations etc i do not think it a stretch to think the Devs left it all in there for US,knowing time was up and implementation was not possible.

To take out all the half completed stuff would have been easy i think, but they said, hell we don't have the time to finish this, leave it in, maybe someone (modder) can use it?

No excuse for the CTD's,gun crew, Drm and major bugs , but hopefully those will be sorted with a patch...

From what I've read, i think they really care.
My 2c

thruster · 03-21-10, 03:22 AM

i tend to agree with you.

Chromius · 03-21-10, 04:22 AM

My dilapidated brain cells tend to possibly agree with you, maybe not in this dimension but the next.

edit: But that does not excuse the state it was released in.

Coldcall · 03-21-10, 04:53 AM

I tend to agree with the OP. The developers would not have wanted it going out the door as it is now, and were most likely forced to do so by the parent Ubisoft.

Its just very sad to see that games development is now controlled by these arsehole companies like Ubsioft and EA.

SteamWake · 03-21-10, 09:23 AM

What CTD's ?

I'm not the biggest fanboi out there but I've never had a CTD. Even with messing around with mods.

Athlonic · 03-21-10, 10:04 AM

I agree too, but I am still happy to be able to play right now instead of a need to wait till november or christmass '10 ^^

Hopefully a patch will soon address the more annoying bugs.

The only "application crash" I've experienced is when opening the logbook after sinking (by mistake

) a friendly german battleship near Narwick.
I had to CTRL-ALT-SUPP...

Arclight · 03-21-10, 10:27 AM

I had the same thought when thinking about some of the animations; watchcrew points out to nowhere constantly. It's almost like the devs simply put it there like that to show is that it is there.

With a little imagination and scripting, you might be able to only trigger the animation when appropriate, but the devs didn't have time to implement it like that.

Not a single CTD either, and even unmodded I enjoyed playing it. Most of the bugs have a workaround anyway.

03-21-10, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldcall

I tend to agree with the OP. The developers would not have wanted it going out the door as it is now, and were most likely forced to do so by the parent Ubisoft.

Its just very sad to see that games development is now controlled by these arsehole companies like Ubsioft and EA.

+1 - So-called "Big" games companies...

03-21-10, 10:35 AM

its good to see people understand the position the devs were in, they share our love for the genre but must work within the time constraints and boundries given.

as for leaving all the half finished stuff in there i think it would cost money to take those out so weather it was for the reason you stated (which i tend to agree with by the way) or just good economics not to invest more time and money on them so leave them as they are, is for each of us to decide on our own but i tend to agree they knew this would stink out of the box and wanted to give us the tools and options to bring it to something along the lines of what they had envisioned it to be from the start when finished.

there will be those who never forgive what they see as a slap in the face for realism but in about two years i think all will be forgotten and "by mod" this game will be pretty damn good and possibly great.

Turtle01 · 03-21-10, 10:37 AM

you are right. I´m not a modder but i have seen Typ 9 and 2 in texutre
folders and the animation stuff and so on,

greets

Gilbou · 03-21-10, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldcall

I tend to agree with the OP. The developers would not have wanted it going out the door as it is now, and were most likely forced to do so by the parent Ubisoft.

Its just very sad to see that games development is now controlled by these arsehole companies like Ubsioft and EA.

Unless a developer explains what all this mess I will not imagine excuses for them or speak in their name.

You have balls or you don't in this world.
You have a word that can be trusted or you're nothing.

If they had balls they will come out and talk. Otherwise, I'm not here to find moot excuses for pussies.

It is quite easy to post anonymous stuff from any wireless connection anywhere and make us hear their voice without any risk or coming back to the source of it.

SabreHawk · 03-21-10, 11:33 AM

Indeed, I agree with the OP and ya know when you think about it we all should be thankful that we as users have such access to all the game's innner workings and files as we do, unlike console games.
This kind of openess is what makes PC software like this the very flexible and wide scoped product it is. It has the potential to become so much more, and encompass things not even though of when it was developed.

A product than can grow, and become more than the sum of it's parts.

Noren · 03-21-10, 11:34 AM

They left unfinished features as a gift to the modders?

The cynical side of me tells me otherwise, I think its leftover from the early development fase and of course content from the earlier games. Did they leave the bugs in aswell as a gift?

As to the watchcrew pointing into the void and we call that a 'message' from the devs, thats very far fetched if you asked me.

In the end, perhaps time ran out or someone left the devs in a crucial time and they released it 'as is'. An recent example: Empire total war was promised to have a superb AI that was supposed to challange even veteran tacticians but it sucked bigtime. After a few months (for the upcoming Napoleon total war) they released an explaination: suddenly in the end of the development their gifted AI-programmer left them. As if that will take the blame of the devs and ease the minds of the frustrated players!

I would reccon it would take time and money to pull out the content not actually used in the game.

Arclight · 03-21-10, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noren

As to the watchcrew pointing into the void and we call that a 'message' from the devs, thats very far fetched if you asked me.

Not saying that's how it is, just explaining it triggered a similar thought.

Nisgeis · 03-21-10, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilbou

It is quite easy to post anonymous stuff from any wireless connection anywhere and make us hear their voice without any risk or coming back to the source of it.

Haha! Would anyone take a newly registered account with one post who provided no details of his identity seriously as a source of reliable information? I don't think so and if they did then shame on them! That's how rumours start... Oh wait... Of course!

03-21-10, 03:00 AM	#1
Thunder Soundman Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: cape Town Posts: 142 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 0	Thinking aloud, the devs helped us...? Yeah, i have the game(even with crappy internet here) and have played a total of once (afaik I'm still in the Kiel canal.) I've been reading alot about the reports and the bugs and the hated DRM , and find myself nodding quietly, going yeah, wait for the modders.... Then i occurred to me the devs might have helped us. They ran out of time, money etc, the reasons which have been covered as nauseaum, but... after seeing alot of what modders have found under the hood, half implemented ideas, AI's, animations etc i do not think it a stretch to think the Devs left it all in there for US,knowing time was up and implementation was not possible. To take out all the half completed stuff would have been easy i think, but they said, hell we don't have the time to finish this, leave it in, maybe someone (modder) can use it? No excuse for the CTD's,gun crew, Drm and major bugs , but hopefully those will be sorted with a patch... From what I've read, i think they really care. My 2c

03-21-10, 09:23 AM	#5
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	What CTD's ? I'm not the biggest fanboi out there but I've never had a CTD. Even with messing around with mods. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

03-21-10, 10:04 AM	#6
Athlonic Chief Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: France Posts: 311 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 2	I agree too, but I am still happy to be able to play right now instead of a need to wait till november or christmass '10 ^^ Hopefully a patch will soon address the more annoying bugs. The only "application crash" I've experienced is when opening the logbook after sinking (by mistake ) a friendly german battleship near Narwick. I had to CTRL-ALT-SUPP... __________________ ________________________ Gimme tons of patches ! Athlonic's MCCD "More Crew Commands by Dialog" MOD for Silent Hunter 5 Version 1.04 SH5 1.2.0 Ready Athlonic's TSAF Mod : Torpedo_Speed_Abilitie_Fix_for_TDC

03-21-10, 10:27 AM	#7
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	I had the same thought when thinking about some of the animations; watchcrew points out to nowhere constantly. It's almost like the devs simply put it there like that to show is that it is there. With a little imagination and scripting, you might be able to only trigger the animation when appropriate, but the devs didn't have time to implement it like that. Not a single CTD either, and even unmodded I enjoyed playing it. Most of the bugs have a workaround anyway. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.

03-21-10, 10:37 AM	#10
Turtle01 A-ganger Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 73 Downloads: 104 Uploads: 0	you are right. I´m not a modder but i have seen Typ 9 and 2 in texutre folders and the animation stuff and so on, greets __________________ MAKE TEA ! NOT LOVE !

03-21-10, 03:22 AM	#2
thruster Electrician's Mate Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 139 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	i tend to agree with you.

03-21-10, 04:22 AM	#3
Chromius Sailor man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Manchester, NH Posts: 43 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	My dilapidated brain cells tend to possibly agree with you, maybe not in this dimension but the next. edit: But that does not excuse the state it was released in.

03-21-10, 04:53 AM	#4
Coldcall Chief Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 325 Downloads: 42 Uploads: 0	I tend to agree with the OP. The developers would not have wanted it going out the door as it is now, and were most likely forced to do so by the parent Ubisoft. Its just very sad to see that games development is now controlled by these arsehole companies like Ubsioft and EA.

03-21-10, 10:35 AM	#9
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	its good to see people understand the position the devs were in, they share our love for the genre but must work within the time constraints and boundries given. as for leaving all the half finished stuff in there i think it would cost money to take those out so weather it was for the reason you stated (which i tend to agree with by the way) or just good economics not to invest more time and money on them so leave them as they are, is for each of us to decide on our own but i tend to agree they knew this would stink out of the box and wanted to give us the tools and options to bring it to something along the lines of what they had envisioned it to be from the start when finished. there will be those who never forgive what they see as a slap in the face for realism but in about two years i think all will be forgotten and "by mod" this game will be pretty damn good and possibly great.

03-21-10, 11:33 AM	#12
SabreHawk Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle, Wa. USA Posts: 530 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Indeed, I agree with the OP and ya know when you think about it we all should be thankful that we as users have such access to all the game's innner workings and files as we do, unlike console games. This kind of openess is what makes PC software like this the very flexible and wide scoped product it is. It has the potential to become so much more, and encompass things not even though of when it was developed. A product than can grow, and become more than the sum of it's parts. __________________ "Chance favors the prepared mind"

03-21-10, 11:34 AM	#13
Noren 中国水兵 Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 284 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	They left unfinished features as a gift to the modders? The cynical side of me tells me otherwise, I think its leftover from the early development fase and of course content from the earlier games. Did they leave the bugs in aswell as a gift? As to the watchcrew pointing into the void and we call that a 'message' from the devs, thats very far fetched if you asked me. In the end, perhaps time ran out or someone left the devs in a crucial time and they released it 'as is'. An recent example: Empire total war was promised to have a superb AI that was supposed to challange even veteran tacticians but it sucked bigtime. After a few months (for the upcoming Napoleon total war) they released an explaination: suddenly in the end of the development their gifted AI-programmer left them. As if that will take the blame of the devs and ease the minds of the frustrated players! I would reccon it would take time and money to pull out the content not actually used in the game.