No map update

03-15-10, 10:52 AM

Who plays the game without "No map update" and who with?

SteamWake · 03-15-10, 10:55 AM

While the game can be sucessfully played with no map contacts there are some glaring issues with it.

Namely lack of adaquate information to be able to plot them yourself. Simple things like ships bearing, speed, and so forth can be difficult to find.

kylania · 03-15-10, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

While the game can be sucessfully played with no map contacts there are some glaring issues with it.

Namely lack of adaquate information to be able to plot them yourself. Simple things like ships bearing, speed, and so forth can be difficult to find.

This. Once we have the tools I'll probably try a no map contact mission, but till then I'm happy with contacts on.

charognard · 03-15-10, 11:22 AM

debug stadimeter and i ll play without map contact. In the actual state, it s impossible to get range information !!!!

karamazovnew · 03-15-10, 11:57 AM

The stadimeter isn't as critical as the blind deck crew. Without Map contacts you can pass through the center of a convoy and they won't see anything. Map Contacts are the only way to enjoy the game at the moment. Although I feel so silly using it. Might as well have an autofire button

SabreHawk · 03-15-10, 11:59 AM

I play with them on, and no I dont think this is all that unrealistic. It's well known that just like the British, the SS had spies and such that monitored British shipping, and ports and like the Captain in Das Boot said of this sort of espionage "they know exactly we ship out". So too the Germans did the same, and these reports would produce knowlege of when ships left ports and what ports and where they were going. And then infomation on this would be radioed to the warships at sea. The navaigator could then from this info put possible ships and thier likely locations at any given time on the map. It wouldnt always be accurate though for sure, but it was a good idea of where the Captain should be looking.

Adn so it is that this is what in my mind this map contact updating is attempting to simulate.

gutted · 03-15-10, 12:03 PM

No contacts on my map.

Whats the point of manual TDC if the info is given to you? I may as well just go to bed and let the game play itself.

Most of my enjoyement of the game is using an AOBWheel and visually trying to sort out his course as i approach.

Juliano · 03-15-10, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gutted

No contacts on my map.

Whats the point of manual TDC if the info is given to you? I may as well just go to bed and let the game play itself.

Most of my enjoyement of the game is using an AOBWheel and visually trying to sort out his course as i approach.

Agreed

Georg_Unterberg · 03-15-10, 12:39 PM

no map contacts.

as gutted said, finding the solution yourself is the fun part.

Ship's speed is most important, gutted has some excellent tools for finding it (speed solver).

141st_Alper · 03-15-10, 01:17 PM

Tryed without map update, but nobody warn me for any ship while travelling the long-distances. Just one time i was patrolling in the patrol area with 4000x faster time. I just passed near a well-protected convoy. And they take me down 4000x more faster than normal. My sonar guy better to warn me for any contact at least next time. Else its not fun to watch over sea to much. It makes me more tired than i am. Its just a game we arent real sub captains anyway.

The General · 03-15-10, 03:32 PM

I think the way the A.I. sensors of enemy vessels are displayed graphically is brilliant. I love how he 'range of detection' increases and decreases, depending upon your noise signature and visibility.

However, there is a very strong case for switching this feature off, so there is a more realistic level of uncertainty as to what you can get away with. When the game has been improved, via Mods and patches, to a level I am satisfied with, then I will again take a look at playing it in 100% realistic mode.

jwilliams · 03-15-10, 04:27 PM

I tried with No Map Contacts (100% realism). but while under high time compression, my sub struck a ship and sank. Seems to be serious issues with Watch crew and sensors durring time compression.

Theres also problems with the stadimeter and lack of tools to get distance and bearings. (No compass)

So now im playing with map contacts on (88% realism) until these issue gets fixed.

SabreHawk · 03-15-10, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The General

I think the way the A.I. sensors of enemy vessels are displayed graphically is brilliant. I love how he 'range of detection' increases and decreases, depending upon your noise signature and visibility.

However, there is a very strong case for switching this feature off, so there is a more realistic level of uncertainty as to what you can get away with. When the game has been improved, via Mods and patches, to a level I am satisfied with, then I will again take a look at playing it in 100% realistic mode.

Aye, this be true. But ya know I thnk they employed ths kind of thing to replace the SH3 "stealth meter" which so many back then didnt like.
And it still give some playability to a larger audience.
In fact I think a great deal of things in SH5 are for the sole purpose of widening the audience of this series.

Frederf · 03-15-10, 06:27 PM

I still find it a cakewalk to sink tonnage to be in the top %5 of U-boat captains without map contacts, off stadimeter, 100% difficulty, etc. The most annoying thing is putting 2-3 torpedoes in a civilian ship and it limps off with 1% health into the sunset at full speed.

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03-15-10, 10:52 AM	#1
Michal788 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	No map update Who plays the game without "No map update" and who with?

03-15-10, 10:55 AM	#2
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	While the game can be sucessfully played with no map contacts there are some glaring issues with it. Namely lack of adaquate information to be able to plot them yourself. Simple things like ships bearing, speed, and so forth can be difficult to find. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

03-15-10, 11:22 AM	#4
charognard Navy Dude Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 171 Downloads: 201 Uploads: 0	debug stadimeter and i ll play without map contact. In the actual state, it s impossible to get range information !!!! __________________ Gwx 3.0 / Rbs1_SH4_Effects_GWX_30_71 / Water Stream for Uboats / REAL U-505 item graphics for slide-out compass / SH3 Commander 3.2 /SH3 Commander Config files for GWX 3.0

03-15-10, 11:59 AM	#6
SabreHawk Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle, Wa. USA Posts: 530 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I play with them on, and no I dont think this is all that unrealistic. It's well known that just like the British, the SS had spies and such that monitored British shipping, and ports and like the Captain in Das Boot said of this sort of espionage "they know exactly we ship out". So too the Germans did the same, and these reports would produce knowlege of when ships left ports and what ports and where they were going. And then infomation on this would be radioed to the warships at sea. The navaigator could then from this info put possible ships and thier likely locations at any given time on the map. It wouldnt always be accurate though for sure, but it was a good idea of where the Captain should be looking. Adn so it is that this is what in my mind this map contact updating is attempting to simulate. __________________ "Chance favors the prepared mind"

03-15-10, 11:57 AM	#5
karamazovnew The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,403 Downloads: 151 Uploads: 0	The stadimeter isn't as critical as the blind deck crew. Without Map contacts you can pass through the center of a convoy and they won't see anything. Map Contacts are the only way to enjoy the game at the moment. Although I feel so silly using it. Might as well have an autofire button

03-15-10, 12:03 PM	#7
gutted The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Orleans, LA. Posts: 1,379 Downloads: 487 Uploads: 11	No contacts on my map. Whats the point of manual TDC if the info is given to you? I may as well just go to bed and let the game play itself. Most of my enjoyement of the game is using an AOBWheel and visually trying to sort out his course as i approach. __________________ Solution Solver 2.3.2 - Visual Targeting Tools & Aids

03-15-10, 12:39 PM	#9
Georg_Unterberg Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 122 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	no map contacts. as gutted said, finding the solution yourself is the fun part. Ship's speed is most important, gutted has some excellent tools for finding it (speed solver).

03-15-10, 01:17 PM	#10
141st_Alper Mate Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 52 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Tryed without map update, but nobody warn me for any ship while travelling the long-distances. Just one time i was patrolling in the patrol area with 4000x faster time. I just passed near a well-protected convoy. And they take me down 4000x more faster than normal. My sonar guy better to warn me for any contact at least next time. Else its not fun to watch over sea to much. It makes me more tired than i am. Its just a game we arent real sub captains anyway.

03-15-10, 03:32 PM	#11
The General The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountain Ash, Wales, U.K. Posts: 1,548 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 3	I think the way the A.I. sensors of enemy vessels are displayed graphically is brilliant. I love how he 'range of detection' increases and decreases, depending upon your noise signature and visibility. However, there is a very strong case for switching this feature off, so there is a more realistic level of uncertainty as to what you can get away with. When the game has been improved, via Mods and patches, to a level I am satisfied with, then I will again take a look at playing it in 100% realistic mode. __________________ *THE GENERAL*

03-15-10, 04:27 PM	#12
jwilliams Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,013 Downloads: 124 Uploads: 0	I tried with No Map Contacts (100% realism). but while under high time compression, my sub struck a ship and sank. Seems to be serious issues with Watch crew and sensors durring time compression. Theres also problems with the stadimeter and lack of tools to get distance and bearings. (No compass) So now im playing with map contacts on (88% realism) until these issue gets fixed. __________________ Windows 7, 64bit. Phenom II 965BE (OC 4cores @ 3.8 Ghz). Radeon HD4870 (1gb gddr5). 6gb Ram. Last edited by jwilliams; 03-15-10 at 05:11 PM.

03-15-10, 06:27 PM	#14
Frederf Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 665 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 1	I still find it a cakewalk to sink tonnage to be in the top %5 of U-boat captains without map contacts, off stadimeter, 100% difficulty, etc. The most annoying thing is putting 2-3 torpedoes in a civilian ship and it limps off with 1% health into the sunset at full speed.