All of us are using "DRM", it's called "Windows Product Activation."

Ships-R-Us · 03-06-10, 04:44 PM

DRM and the Future

Consider one last example of a protection method which has been subject to similar levels of hysteria and misinformation, and which every legitimate Windows user has installed on their system right now: Windows Product Activation. It was introduced in 2001 as part of Windows XP despite massive opposition, and again in 2007 in Windows Vista, and once again to be included in Windows 7 in the near future. If it's been a failure in protecting Windows against casual piracy, then Microsoft certainly hasn't shown any signs of dropping it. Back in 2001, sensationalist articles such as this one not only proclaimed this feature to be 'fiendish' and that it would allow Bill Gates to "...spy on your machine", they also called it "a step too far". Suffice it to say that all these years later, product activation has been proven not to be spyware, is not overly problematic, and the various fantastic scenarios people cooked up to somehow suggest we'd be activating our machines every second day and eventually being locked out of them for no good reason have all been debunked. The truth is that it works just fine, Microsoft still has an almost 90% market share with their Windows OSes, and users have become completely used to Windows Activation; all the hysteria and lies regarding it were proven completely false in the end.

I believe that responsible companys of worthy character that use "DRM" technology are not spying on peoples machines.

kylania · 03-06-10, 04:50 PM

Windows Product Activation is fine. You do it once and you're done. You're not treated like a criminal and forced to constantly prove you didn't steal the software by being online without interruption while you play a single player game. Comparing OSP and WPA is the definition of apples and oranges.

If SH5 had required me to be online once to activate the product, NO PROBLEM. But if it forces me to be online constantly, overwrites my saves because of synch issues, doesn't let me play because their servers are having problems and basically makes me suffer even though I paid for the product, BIG PROBLEM.

Deputy · 03-06-10, 04:54 PM

Windows doesn't stop working just because you can't connect to the internet.

Kromus · 03-06-10, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy

Windows doesn't stop working just because you can't connect to the internet.

This...

HundertzehnGustav · 03-06-10, 05:55 PM

OMGNOEZ this game suxxorz!1!1!1!one!?

Nisgeis · 03-06-10, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

OMGNOEZ this game suxxorz!1!1!1!one!?

At last, someone with a bit of common sense for the debate that must be made. My personal oopion is *checks button*, *checks cheat sheet* No, I do not believe that the game suxxorz!1!1!1!one!? because of the nice sea wave graphic implementation thereof.

Nordmann · 03-06-10, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy

Windows doesn't stop working just because you can't connect to the internet.

Ah, a simple sentence, which nevertheless manages to sum up the entire debate. Bravo sir, bravo indeed.

TarJak · 03-06-10, 06:16 PM

Not sure what the OP's point is meant to be by creating this thread, but DRM on the whole is not an issue for me. I am not concernd

OSP as a form of DRM is. It prevents me playing the game when I have most time to do so, i.e, when travelling and usually out of touch with the internet.

The biggest problem with all DRM scheme's is that they simply don't do what they set out to do, unless their stated aim is to delay copyright violations, which in the case of OSP and SHV appears it didn't do anyway.

@Nisgeis:

Nice post!

tater · 03-06-10, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy

Windows doesn't stop working just because you can't connect to the internet.

This. Epic OP fail.

PS—Where are you in NM, deputy?

Deputy · 03-06-10, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

This. Epic OP fail.

PS—Where are you in NM, deputy?

Silver City.

Ships-R-Us · 03-06-10, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy

Silver City.

Nice area, as I've been to Pinos Altos just north of you twice on camping trips.

tater · 03-07-10, 06:02 PM

I'm up in ABQ. MIxed bag of hippies and non-hippies up here. 40 minutes north it's hippie central

Deputy · 03-07-10, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

I'm up in ABQ. MIxed bag of hippies and non-hippies up here. 40 minutes north it's hippie central

Albuquerque scares me as much as Chicago where I originally came from. We get the news feeds. Too dang many drunk drivers and gang shootings. Here we just have the occasional bum burning his partner on the side of the road. I think you have a corpse of ours up there now being looked at by the coroner. But you do have some decent resteraunts up there so I am envious of that. All we have is fast food joints unless you go to Las Cruces.

remowilliams · 03-06-10, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kylania

[...] and basically makes me suffer even though I paid for the product, BIG PROBLEM.

Exactly.

swuboo · 03-06-10, 05:16 PM

Windows can, however, stop working because you changed a hard drive or swapped out a graphics card. And if it's not the first time, you'll have to call Microsoft and plead your case before they will deign to let you resume using it. You cite Windows Genuine Advantage as a reason we should be okay with Ubi's far more draconian system. I cite Windows Genuine Advantage as the primary reason that I have not purchased a piece of Microsoft software since XP.

03-06-10, 04:44 PM	#1
Ships-R-Us Commander Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 452 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	All of us are using "DRM", it's called "Windows Product Activation." DRM and the Future Consider one last example of a protection method which has been subject to similar levels of hysteria and misinformation, and which every legitimate Windows user has installed on their system right now: Windows Product Activation. It was introduced in 2001 as part of Windows XP despite massive opposition, and again in 2007 in Windows Vista, and once again to be included in Windows 7 in the near future. If it's been a failure in protecting Windows against casual piracy, then Microsoft certainly hasn't shown any signs of dropping it. Back in 2001, sensationalist articles such as this one not only proclaimed this feature to be 'fiendish' and that it would allow Bill Gates to "...spy on your machine", they also called it "a step too far". Suffice it to say that all these years later, product activation has been proven not to be spyware, is not overly problematic, and the various fantastic scenarios people cooked up to somehow suggest we'd be activating our machines every second day and eventually being locked out of them for no good reason have all been debunked. The truth is that it works just fine, Microsoft still has an almost 90% market share with their Windows OSes, and users have become completely used to Windows Activation; all the hysteria and lies regarding it were proven completely false in the end. I believe that responsible companys of worthy character that use "DRM" technology are not spying on peoples machines.

03-06-10, 04:50 PM	#2
kylania Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,528 Downloads: 118 Uploads: 0	Windows Product Activation is fine. You do it once and you're done. You're not treated like a criminal and forced to constantly prove you didn't steal the software by being online without interruption while you play a single player game. Comparing OSP and WPA is the definition of apples and oranges. If SH5 had required me to be online once to activate the product, NO PROBLEM. But if it forces me to be online constantly, overwrites my saves because of synch issues, doesn't let me play because their servers are having problems and basically makes me suffer even though I paid for the product, BIG PROBLEM. __________________

03-06-10, 05:55 PM	#5
HundertzehnGustav Sea Lord Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Lux, betw. G, B and F Posts: 1,898 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	OMGNOEZ this game suxxorz!1!1!1!one!? __________________ In conclusion: SH3 is the shizzle, yo. -Frau Kaleun Another negative about using your deck gun is that you are definately DETECTED, which has long term effects on your relationship with aircraft. -snestorm

03-06-10, 04:54 PM	#3
Deputy Watch Officer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 344 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	Windows doesn't stop working just because you can't connect to the internet.

03-06-10, 06:16 PM	#8
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Not sure what the OP's point is meant to be by creating this thread, but DRM on the whole is not an issue for me. I am not concernd OSP as a form of DRM is. It prevents me playing the game when I have most time to do so, i.e, when travelling and usually out of touch with the internet. The biggest problem with all DRM scheme's is that they simply don't do what they set out to do, unless their stated aim is to delay copyright violations, which in the case of OSP and SHV appears it didn't do anyway. @Nisgeis: Nice post!

03-07-10, 06:02 PM	#12
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I'm up in ABQ. MIxed bag of hippies and non-hippies up here. 40 minutes north it's hippie central

03-06-10, 05:16 PM	#15
swuboo Bosun Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Long Island, New York, USA Posts: 66 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Windows can, however, stop working because you changed a hard drive or swapped out a graphics card. And if it's not the first time, you'll have to call Microsoft and plead your case before they will deign to let you resume using it. You cite Windows Genuine Advantage as a reason we should be okay with Ubi's far more draconian system. I cite Windows Genuine Advantage as the primary reason that I have not purchased a piece of Microsoft software since XP.