Q: Has anyone been bombed , depth charged or sunk by an aircraft Yet?

Stevepine · 06-28-10, 05:51 PM

I still feel that that gentle "tink, tink, tink" on my sub's hull isnt very frightening .... even though I see the hull integrity falling. Maybe its due to me only being in the 'happy times' but.....

Where are we on this? - Anyone really experience the fear factor from aircraft yet in SH5?

The General · 06-28-10, 06:04 PM

The aircraft deployment model hasn't worked well for the entire Silent Hunter franchise. As this is a Subsim, The Devs quite rightly concentrated on that aspect first, followed by the surface vessel A.I.

It looks as though they consistently ran out of time before being able to properly develop the aircraft model. I don't know what the modding community can do to fix this? We've already asked so much of them. Quite frankly; I paid full price (£35) for SH5 and the game was maybe 70% complete.

To be fair to the Devs, some amzing ground-work was layed in that 70%. Had they been given enough time, SH5 was on track to be an incredible piece of work.

Stevepine · 06-28-10, 06:42 PM

I think our breath takingly hard working modding community will work on this area and will go on modding SH5 in general simply because the game has come such a long way since launch... and therefore they can see new potential in the new game after all the fixes.

Also, people always love to be creative about something they are passionate about... and I think we have a very dedicated set of people who love to unleash their creativity on something they really care about.

If I had any idea how to .... I know I would for sure be in there with them.

Stevepine · 06-28-10, 07:18 PM

Further thinking :

Here's maybe something that could be easily changed to help make aircraft something to fear (rather than just an inconvenient, annoyance as they seem now)

Simply increase the hull damage done per shell impact from aircraft.

(Mods were made to do that for depth charges...so why not aircraft cannon shells?)

In any case , Im sure a real U boat couldnt stand up to THAT many accurate straffing runs ? maybe just 1 or 2?

06-28-10, 07:41 PM

As in Sh3 and SH4?
It almost seems as if the Devs did not understand the Damage stuff.
So we hobble along and correct things.
The aircraft may use shells that are used by other weapons.
A general altering can cause unwanted effects.
Check carefully then make adjustments.
Or better yet?
Create new shells used by aircraft only.
Then you can adjust without effecting other weapons damages.

TheDarkWraith · 06-28-10, 09:06 PM

I've started rewriting the scripts for the AI....hopefully I can fix the problems with them. It took me awhile to figure out the 'language' of the AI but now it's pretty easy. They (devs) gave a lot of power to the programmers for the AI. We should be able to make them do anything we want. Testing so far is quite positive

THE_MASK · 06-28-10, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

I've started rewriting the scripts for the AI....hopefully I can fix the problems with them. It took me awhile to figure out the 'language' of the AI but now it's pretty easy. They (devs) gave a lot of power to the programmers for the AI. We should be able to make them do anything we want. Testing so far is quite positive

Best news since your UI mod . Thank you lord , i mean TheDarkWraith .

06-28-10, 10:06 PM

I did some work on the AI Subs Script.
It's pretty simple once you play with it.
I can no longer test as the system I was useing is gone.

So I'll work on the Tools stuff for now.

THE_MASK · 06-28-10, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by privateer

I did some work on the AI Subs Script.
It's pretty simple once you play with it.
I can no longer test as the system I was useing is gone.

So I'll work on the Tools stuff for now.

If i had the money i would buy you a computer , but i dont . sorry .

06-28-10, 10:19 PM

No need to be sorry.
I have to cover my business and home expenses first.
As I make my living in Construction and business is down?
I adjust.
The wife buys new shoes, I duct tape mine.

The wife buys a new shirt, I duct tape mine.

Wanna buy a wife?
Cheap?

limkol · 06-29-10, 03:46 AM

3 rolls of duct tape and you can have mine

Zedi · 06-29-10, 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

I've started rewriting the scripts for the AI....hopefully I can fix the problems with them. It took me awhile to figure out the 'language' of the AI but now it's pretty easy. They (devs) gave a lot of power to the programmers for the AI. We should be able to make them do anything we want. Testing so far is quite positive

Best news since sh5 release. Everybody work on UI, less or almost nobody on the game core... the retard AI. Again, great news

Ontopic. I play with the stock game and I got chased by bombers a lot of time (never before the 1.2 patch). Also I got some minor damages from their guns, but never got sunk. Simply because I zig-zag on max speed, my crew is handling pretty good the AA guns and if I run out of ammo.. I dive.

GoldenRivet · 06-29-10, 11:02 AM

I'm patched to the latest version, well into the happy times campaign.

I have been overflown by perhaps 50 airplanes at various times... never once have i been attacked.

reaper7 · 06-29-10, 11:49 AM

Can't wait for your results TDW

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TheDarkWraith · 06-29-10, 10:39 PM

I was able to make aircraft attack you now instead of just fly by BUT there's a problem with it. There's no way to get the airplane to cease attacking you. Once you are detected you are always detected even if you submerge

There's no way to break the 'detected'. Therefore the airplane zips back and forth dive bombing your location and strafing the water with guns where you would be if you weren't submerged. It will continue to do this until it's either out of cannon ammo or runs out of fuel. Running out of fuel is what usually happens first

Now I see why the devs had it setup that they wouldn't attack you unless they either had bombs or torpedoes. If they didn't have either then they just flew by ignoring you. If they did have them then they attacked until they ran out of bombs/torpedoes then they proceeded to follow their waypoints again. This is a big problem that they need to fix ASAP

This just blows big time

06-28-10, 05:51 PM	#1
Stevepine Planesman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 191 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	Q: Has anyone been bombed , depth charged or sunk by an aircraft Yet? I still feel that that gentle "tink, tink, tink" on my sub's hull isnt very frightening .... even though I see the hull integrity falling. Maybe its due to me only being in the 'happy times' but..... Where are we on this? - Anyone really experience the fear factor from aircraft yet in SH5?

06-28-10, 06:04 PM	#2
The General The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Mountain Ash, Wales, U.K. Posts: 1,548 Downloads: 179 Uploads: 3	Bottom line... The aircraft deployment model hasn't worked well for the entire Silent Hunter franchise. As this is a Subsim, The Devs quite rightly concentrated on that aspect first, followed by the surface vessel A.I. It looks as though they consistently ran out of time before being able to properly develop the aircraft model. I don't know what the modding community can do to fix this? We've already asked so much of them. Quite frankly; I paid full price (£35) for SH5 and the game was maybe 70% complete. To be fair to the Devs, some amzing ground-work was layed in that 70%. Had they been given enough time, SH5 was on track to be an incredible piece of work. __________________ *THE GENERAL* Last edited by The General; 06-28-10 at 06:15 PM.

06-29-10, 11:02 AM	#13
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	I'm patched to the latest version, well into the happy times campaign. I have been overflown by perhaps 50 airplanes at various times... never once have i been attacked. __________________

06-28-10, 06:42 PM	#3
Stevepine Planesman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 191 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	I think our breath takingly hard working modding community will work on this area and will go on modding SH5 in general simply because the game has come such a long way since launch... and therefore they can see new potential in the new game after all the fixes. Also, people always love to be creative about something they are passionate about... and I think we have a very dedicated set of people who love to unleash their creativity on something they really care about. If I had any idea how to .... I know I would for sure be in there with them.

06-28-10, 07:18 PM	#4
Stevepine Planesman Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 191 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	Further thinking : Here's maybe something that could be easily changed to help make aircraft something to fear (rather than just an inconvenient, annoyance as they seem now) Simply increase the hull damage done per shell impact from aircraft. (Mods were made to do that for depth charges...so why not aircraft cannon shells?) In any case , Im sure a real U boat couldnt stand up to THAT many accurate straffing runs ? maybe just 1 or 2?

06-28-10, 07:41 PM	#5
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	As in Sh3 and SH4? It almost seems as if the Devs did not understand the Damage stuff. So we hobble along and correct things. The aircraft may use shells that are used by other weapons. A general altering can cause unwanted effects. Check carefully then make adjustments. Or better yet? Create new shells used by aircraft only. Then you can adjust without effecting other weapons damages.

06-28-10, 09:06 PM	#6
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	I've started rewriting the scripts for the AI....hopefully I can fix the problems with them. It took me awhile to figure out the 'language' of the AI but now it's pretty easy. They (devs) gave a lot of power to the programmers for the AI. We should be able to make them do anything we want. Testing so far is quite positive

06-28-10, 10:06 PM	#8
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I did some work on the AI Subs Script. It's pretty simple once you play with it. I can no longer test as the system I was useing is gone. So I'll work on the Tools stuff for now.

06-28-10, 10:19 PM	#10
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	No need to be sorry. I have to cover my business and home expenses first. As I make my living in Construction and business is down? I adjust. The wife buys new shoes, I duct tape mine. The wife buys a new shirt, I duct tape mine. Wanna buy a wife? Cheap?

06-29-10, 03:46 AM	#11
limkol XO Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: looking in the bilge for a bottle opener Posts: 416 Downloads: 210 Uploads: 0	3 rolls of duct tape and you can have mine

06-29-10, 11:49 AM	#14
reaper7 sim2reality Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: AM 82 Posts: 2,280 Downloads: 258 Uploads: 30	Can't wait for your results TDW .

06-29-10, 10:39 PM	#15
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	I was able to make aircraft attack you now instead of just fly by BUT there's a problem with it. There's no way to get the airplane to cease attacking you. Once you are detected you are always detected even if you submerge There's no way to break the 'detected'. Therefore the airplane zips back and forth dive bombing your location and strafing the water with guns where you would be if you weren't submerged. It will continue to do this until it's either out of cannon ammo or runs out of fuel. Running out of fuel is what usually happens first Now I see why the devs had it setup that they wouldn't attack you unless they either had bombs or torpedoes. If they didn't have either then they just flew by ignoring you. If they did have them then they attacked until they ran out of bombs/torpedoes then they proceeded to follow their waypoints again. This is a big problem that they need to fix ASAP This just blows big time