Subsim Video: New Manual TDC Video in HD (2/13/10)

Frnocom · 02-13-10, 10:18 PM

Sorry if already posted. I didn't see anything on it. Posted just over 3 hours ago.

There is hope for your manual targeting Kaluens.

As Neal mentions in the description....it's just a preview version of the game (most of us knew that already).

Can't wait 'til March!

Onkel Neal · 02-13-10, 10:23 PM

You're welcome.

The TDC works about the same as before, except the interface is much less "authentic" looking than before.

Letum · 02-13-10, 10:26 PM

I see no TDC.

Frnocom · 02-13-10, 10:32 PM

Didn't the "Old Man" or captain sit at the attack periscope and call out the variables to the XO or whoever was manning the TDC?

If I am right, then it would be even more "realistic" or "authentic" or whateveryouwannacallit, for the captain (the player) to to just call out the variables such as the way it was done in the video while somebody else input the values into the TDC....yes/no? That would make this even more realistic since it seems like it is supposed to be more of a 1st person experience this time around. The captain only has two hands.

Neal, is it possible in the game to step away from the periscope and click on the TDC and set values manually?

THE_MASK · 02-13-10, 10:33 PM

Ok , so you are doing the captains job which is good . Can you take over the XOs job and do the mtdc yourself ? Can you use the TDC in the conning tower ?
It looks a whole lot more fun to play then sh3/4 .

onelifecrisis · 02-13-10, 10:37 PM

Aha, finally. Thanks for putting this one up Neal.

Nice to see the stadimeter at work.

It's a shame (and slightly odd) that they didn't make the stadimeter rotatable so that it could be used to get angle on the bow.

I also notice there is an "estimate speed from range observations" option. Interesting.

Off-topic, I've noticed in several of these videos that the underwater view is waaaaay too bright. That's something I might have to mod.

Lanzfeld · 02-13-10, 10:50 PM

Thanks for the video Neal!

Seems to me you really messed up the AOB but you still hit the target? Ahhhh..you fired a big spread thats why.

Also...after you put in the AOB the range changed....very strange.

I DO NOT care for all that junk blocking the view of the scope.

Weather-guesser · 02-13-10, 10:56 PM

Outstanding to see that...I noticed a grainier look to the outside environment on this video. SASSO at work? I'm not a big fan of it myself.

I would agree that this might be considered more realistic to be calling out the variables instead of having the captain enter them himself, but as mentioned I wonder if you can manually enter them to TDC?

All in all, if this "Sim" will be as modable as they say, then these type of things may be changed....I'm looking forward to this if it's more finished than SH4

Edit: Really cool exlosions in this version. Nice look at the attack periscope that time...thanks

razark · 02-13-10, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

I DON NOT care for all that junk blocking the view of the scope.

It seems to me they could have put the dialog boxes off to the left, where the map was, instead of blocking the scope view.

I'm not familiar with u-boat range finding. Did they use this sort of stadimeter, or was there another method?

onelifecrisis · 02-13-10, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by razark

I'm not familiar with u-boat range finding. Did they use this sort of stadimeter, or was there another method?

Yes, they used it. They could also turn it on it's side to get the AOB (it was called a Rotatable Split-Prism Stadimeter) but that feature doesn't seem to be in the game.

brandtryan · 02-13-10, 11:35 PM

Thanks Neal--

I like the fact that you're walking around a lot--and not staring at a freaking map the whole time, and just hitting icons to get contact reports. Just walking through the sub, and hydrophone guy calls out contact, you run up to the periscope--nice! Stuff to do, work to be done!! Get moving!

The TDC. This video might be a hint to the modders--with the hyperlinks, etc.--to change values of TDC, with options to use periscope, or manually put in values, etc.--almost looks like the code with a little, extremely simple GUI (essential just a form/box) to input values. XML? I may be WAY off here, as I"m not a programmer/developer--but what if the awesome modders in this community can create their own GUI (i.e., graphical TDC, knobs, etc.) and plug in the XML, or whatever is behind it, into it? Not to mention the possibility of hooking up a mic and calling out the numbers for real. I know that technology has been out awhile--used to use it for flight sims "go spread" "attack ground targets" "tighten formation", etc.

Maybe I"m reaching here--but who knows!

Anyway, yes, they've included a MANUAL TDC--enough said. If they had another year to develop, maybe they would have created all the knobs, realistically representing the device, if it's not in there already, in some other part of the sub. Or maybe as someone above said, the idea is that the Cap doesn't run the TDC himself, and passed that off to the XO. Either way, it's in there, and it looks like the coding language will be modder friendly, as far as changing the GUI for the device, and who knows what else.

I was going to buy it no matter what--people have to realize--especially people that frequent this site, that niche sims like this are becoming increasingly rare--nearly extinct. Yeah, I'd be sore if I didn't have an internet connection, but we have to support the people that take the risks to make these titles. xyz software company is evil, bad, etc.--well, guess what? Without them, we'd be stuck with a whole lot of nothing. IMHO, same goes for flight sims, and Eagle Dynamics, et al. Oops, ranting--can't wait to get my paws on this one.

I've re-installed SHIV, and put on OM. I'm trying to remember how the heck to attack merchant shipping using the periscope, with no ability to ping for range. How do you know their course when they are little tiny dots out there? Even if you wait 10 minutes, and get a new bearing, you still don't have range, and so cannot get thier course! Help!!

Got spoiled in the US boats, using Werner Sobe's sonar only attack method.

Frnocom · 02-13-10, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

Seems to me you really messed up the AOB but you still hit the target? Ahhhh..you fired a big spread thats why.

I was going to say the same thing....messed up AOB?

IanC · 02-13-10, 11:47 PM

Well at least there's manual TDC!

I was starting to get worried there..

Galanti · 02-14-10, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frnocom

I was going to say the same thing....messed up AOB?

Nah, old One-Eye put the right numbers in accidentally.

Setting aside my epic loathing for the GUI in general for the moment, I can see the merit in this approach, as far as modelling the torpedo firing chain of command goes. But the hyperlinks need to go...

BTW, congratulations to my Yank cousins for their first Olympic gold medal!

oscar19681 · 02-14-10, 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Letum

I see no TDC.

i see no problem

02-13-10, 10:18 PM	#1
Frnocom Seaman Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Posts: 31 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Subsim Video: New Manual TDC Video in HD (2/13/10) Sorry if already posted. I didn't see anything on it. Posted just over 3 hours ago. There is hope for your manual targeting Kaluens. As Neal mentions in the description....it's just a preview version of the game (most of us knew that already). Can't wait 'til March! Last edited by Onkel Neal; 02-14-10 at 01:27 AM. Reason: added HD suffix to link, thx

02-13-10, 10:23 PM	#2
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	You're welcome. The TDC works about the same as before, except the interface is much less "authentic" looking than before. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

02-13-10, 10:26 PM	#3
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I see no TDC. __________________

02-13-10, 10:33 PM	#5
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Ok , so you are doing the captains job which is good . Can you take over the XOs job and do the mtdc yourself ? Can you use the TDC in the conning tower ? It looks a whole lot more fun to play then sh3/4 . Last edited by THE_MASK; 02-13-10 at 10:48 PM.

02-13-10, 10:37 PM	#6
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	Aha, finally. Thanks for putting this one up Neal. Nice to see the stadimeter at work. It's a shame (and slightly odd) that they didn't make the stadimeter rotatable so that it could be used to get angle on the bow. I also notice there is an "estimate speed from range observations" option. Interesting. Off-topic, I've noticed in several of these videos that the underwater view is waaaaay too bright. That's something I might have to mod. __________________ Freedom of speech - priceless. For everything else there's Mastercard.

02-13-10, 10:32 PM	#4
Frnocom Seaman Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Flagstaff, AZ Posts: 31 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Didn't the "Old Man" or captain sit at the attack periscope and call out the variables to the XO or whoever was manning the TDC? If I am right, then it would be even more "realistic" or "authentic" or whateveryouwannacallit, for the captain (the player) to to just call out the variables such as the way it was done in the video while somebody else input the values into the TDC....yes/no? That would make this even more realistic since it seems like it is supposed to be more of a 1st person experience this time around. The captain only has two hands. Neal, is it possible in the game to step away from the periscope and click on the TDC and set values manually?

02-13-10, 10:50 PM	#7
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the video Neal! Seems to me you really messed up the AOB but you still hit the target? Ahhhh..you fired a big spread thats why. Also...after you put in the AOB the range changed....very strange. I DO NOT care for all that junk blocking the view of the scope. Last edited by Lanzfeld; 02-13-10 at 11:10 PM.

02-13-10, 10:56 PM	#8
Weather-guesser Lieutenant Join Date: May 2007 Location: Albany, New York USA Posts: 260 Downloads: 72 Uploads: 0	Outstanding to see that...I noticed a grainier look to the outside environment on this video. SASSO at work? I'm not a big fan of it myself. I would agree that this might be considered more realistic to be calling out the variables instead of having the captain enter them himself, but as mentioned I wonder if you can manually enter them to TDC? All in all, if this "Sim" will be as modable as they say, then these type of things may be changed....I'm looking forward to this if it's more finished than SH4 Edit: Really cool exlosions in this version. Nice look at the attack periscope that time...thanks __________________ NAVY! It's not just a job. It's a Buck Seventy-Five an hour!

02-13-10, 11:35 PM	#11
brandtryan Engineer Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Indianapolis, United States Posts: 214 Downloads: 122 Uploads: 0	Thanks Neal-- I like the fact that you're walking around a lot--and not staring at a freaking map the whole time, and just hitting icons to get contact reports. Just walking through the sub, and hydrophone guy calls out contact, you run up to the periscope--nice! Stuff to do, work to be done!! Get moving! The TDC. This video might be a hint to the modders--with the hyperlinks, etc.--to change values of TDC, with options to use periscope, or manually put in values, etc.--almost looks like the code with a little, extremely simple GUI (essential just a form/box) to input values. XML? I may be WAY off here, as I"m not a programmer/developer--but what if the awesome modders in this community can create their own GUI (i.e., graphical TDC, knobs, etc.) and plug in the XML, or whatever is behind it, into it? Not to mention the possibility of hooking up a mic and calling out the numbers for real. I know that technology has been out awhile--used to use it for flight sims "go spread" "attack ground targets" "tighten formation", etc. Maybe I"m reaching here--but who knows! Anyway, yes, they've included a MANUAL TDC--enough said. If they had another year to develop, maybe they would have created all the knobs, realistically representing the device, if it's not in there already, in some other part of the sub. Or maybe as someone above said, the idea is that the Cap doesn't run the TDC himself, and passed that off to the XO. Either way, it's in there, and it looks like the coding language will be modder friendly, as far as changing the GUI for the device, and who knows what else. I was going to buy it no matter what--people have to realize--especially people that frequent this site, that niche sims like this are becoming increasingly rare--nearly extinct. Yeah, I'd be sore if I didn't have an internet connection, but we have to support the people that take the risks to make these titles. xyz software company is evil, bad, etc.--well, guess what? Without them, we'd be stuck with a whole lot of nothing. IMHO, same goes for flight sims, and Eagle Dynamics, et al. Oops, ranting--can't wait to get my paws on this one. I've re-installed SHIV, and put on OM. I'm trying to remember how the heck to attack merchant shipping using the periscope, with no ability to ping for range. How do you know their course when they are little tiny dots out there? Even if you wait 10 minutes, and get a new bearing, you still don't have range, and so cannot get thier course! Help!! Got spoiled in the US boats, using Werner Sobe's sonar only attack method. __________________ from Brandt

02-13-10, 11:47 PM	#13
IanC Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Running silent and deep Posts: 902 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Well at least there's manual TDC! I was starting to get worried there..