Windows XP, Windows 7, Virtual PC, SHIII

don1reed · 01-26-10, 12:49 PM

Just curious if anyone has tried the virtual PC 'trick' yet and how is it
working?

Boats · 01-26-10, 01:38 PM

if anyone was running SH3 on windows 7 yet? I suppose this virtual pc trick is needed to do so?

don1reed · 01-26-10, 01:55 PM

Bought a new CPU with W7...had to immediately upgrade to W7 professional or greater, in order to have Virtual PC capabilities...
Had to determine if CPU was 64/32 bit...
Went to MS site to d/L Wxp mode for Virtual PC...
Had to change BIOS to enable virtualization aspects...

Now frantically googling for "How to"info.

so far, so good...(very tedious)

Pisces · 01-26-10, 02:48 PM

I don't think it will work with Virtual PC 2007, since it uses a pretty simple simulated graphicscard. I doubt it will have pixelshader support. (pretty sure it won't) Haven't tried to install SH3 in the virtual PC for windows 7, or the new XPmode since my CPU doesn't support Intel-VT. Simply stated it was never designed to be for games. Just basic desktop or server applications.

Maybe the other commercial sollutions, like VMware or virtualbox, do provide graphics acceleration support. Never tried those.

p.s. Silent Hunter 1 did in a virtualized MSDOS 6.22!

Just not the intro movie.

Panser · 01-26-10, 07:37 PM

As Pisces said, it's unlikely to work. The emulated graphics card on Virtual PC has pitiful specs something like a 4MB onboard card with little or no support for accelerated 3D. Unfortunately there is no way to increase the emulated graphics, either. I did create a win98 virtual machine that allowed me to play Discworld Noir bug free for the first time in 8 years, so it works in that regard - but I think you'd be out of luck for newer or more intensive 3D games.

VMware should do the trick because, as far as i know, you can specify the level of emulated graphics.

The thing is, is it really necessary if you have a machine running windows 7? I have two computers, both running windows 7 and both can play SH3 with no problems whatsoever. I think the people having issues with SH3 and win7 are just the vocal minority - Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt their issues for a moment, but just because something doesn't work for some people, it doesn't mean that it doesn't work for everyone. If you haven't already tried running SH3 in Win7, I would cross that hurdle before dealing with convoluted workarounds.

don1reed · 01-26-10, 07:46 PM

...at least Silent Hunter IV works on W7. (small consolation)

Pisces · 01-26-10, 07:46 PM

Yeah, the biggest thing is to not install it in program files (goes for pretty much anything that you'll be modding someday), and remember that SH3 was developed with resolutions like 1024x768 in mind. Still need to install sh3 in windows 7 though. I'm procrastinating too much with cleaning up my disks and transfering my user profile.

Peron · 01-26-10, 07:53 PM

I installed the Direct2Drive version on Windows 7 and it works fine, vanilla.

don1reed · 01-26-10, 07:58 PM

Welcome aboard amigo.

Are you saying that you got SH3 working on W7 with D2D?

[SJ]nailz · 02-02-10, 04:18 PM

I have a DVD version, it installed and patched fine. Usual StarForce problems, but I used an easily found no-dvd to fix that. Still the best sub-game I've played, I have sh4, but I'd rather be a German than a Yank!

I've also managed to get it running at 1280x1024, keeping the 4:3 ratio, anything else stretches it to fit my tft panel, or crashes the game.

specs;

core 2 quad 6700
win7 64 bit
4gb ram
nVidia 9800

CaptainHaplo · 02-02-10, 08:04 PM

No reason you can't run SH3 on Win 7 natively.

I have the DVD, patched to 1.4, installed GWX3.0 and SH3Commander.

Set your resolution to 1024x768 the first time you run SH3 and it start. Then, exit and edit D3D9.cfg (in your SH3 directory) with notepad. Change the resolution to whatever you normally use. Save and restart SH3. You will now be running at your chosen resolution.

I run at 1920x1080 and have not had any problems.

If you have problems with getting SH3 to run on windows 7 - pm me and I will help out if I can.

don1reed · 02-02-10, 09:16 PM

Tnx Captain. Will try agn tomorrow...and let you know.

Cheers,

ryanglavin · 02-02-10, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by don1reed

Tnx Captain. Will try agn tomorrow...and let you know.

Cheers,

Just wondering, whats your signature supposed to be? It looks strangely similar, or I'm just failing as always.

don1reed · 02-02-10, 10:07 PM

It's the "Navigational Triangle".

Pisces · 02-03-10, 12:35 PM

Spherical trigonometry/geometry by the looks of it.

01-26-10, 12:49 PM	#1
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	Windows XP, Windows 7, Virtual PC, SHIII Just curious if anyone has tried the virtual PC 'trick' yet and how is it working? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

01-26-10, 01:38 PM	#2
Boats Loader Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: ME Posts: 84 Downloads: 74 Uploads: 0	I was about to ask... if anyone was running SH3 on windows 7 yet? I suppose this virtual pc trick is needed to do so?

01-26-10, 01:55 PM	#3
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	Bought a new CPU with W7...had to immediately upgrade to W7 professional or greater, in order to have Virtual PC capabilities... Had to determine if CPU was 64/32 bit... Went to MS site to d/L Wxp mode for Virtual PC... Had to change BIOS to enable virtualization aspects... Now frantically googling for "How to"info. so far, so good...(very tedious) __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

01-26-10, 02:48 PM	#4
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	I don't think it will work with Virtual PC 2007, since it uses a pretty simple simulated graphicscard. I doubt it will have pixelshader support. (pretty sure it won't) Haven't tried to install SH3 in the virtual PC for windows 7, or the new XPmode since my CPU doesn't support Intel-VT. Simply stated it was never designed to be for games. Just basic desktop or server applications. Maybe the other commercial sollutions, like VMware or virtualbox, do provide graphics acceleration support. Never tried those. p.s. Silent Hunter 1 did in a virtualized MSDOS 6.22! Just not the intro movie. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads

01-26-10, 07:37 PM	#5
Panser Machinist's Mate Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Lincs, UK Posts: 124 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	As Pisces said, it's unlikely to work. The emulated graphics card on Virtual PC has pitiful specs something like a 4MB onboard card with little or no support for accelerated 3D. Unfortunately there is no way to increase the emulated graphics, either. I did create a win98 virtual machine that allowed me to play Discworld Noir bug free for the first time in 8 years, so it works in that regard - but I think you'd be out of luck for newer or more intensive 3D games. VMware should do the trick because, as far as i know, you can specify the level of emulated graphics. The thing is, is it really necessary if you have a machine running windows 7? I have two computers, both running windows 7 and both can play SH3 with no problems whatsoever. I think the people having issues with SH3 and win7 are just the vocal minority - Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt their issues for a moment, but just because something doesn't work for some people, it doesn't mean that it doesn't work for everyone. If you haven't already tried running SH3 in Win7, I would cross that hurdle before dealing with convoluted workarounds. Last edited by Panser; 01-26-10 at 07:47 PM.

01-26-10, 07:46 PM	#6
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	...at least Silent Hunter IV works on W7. (small consolation) __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

01-26-10, 07:53 PM	#8
Peron Nub Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 4 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I installed the Direct2Drive version on Windows 7 and it works fine, vanilla.

01-26-10, 07:58 PM	#9
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	Welcome aboard amigo. Are you saying that you got SH3 working on W7 with D2D? __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

02-02-10, 04:18 PM	#10
[SJ]nailz Machinist's Mate Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Cultivating a full beard, mid-atlantic. Posts: 121 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	I have a DVD version, it installed and patched fine. Usual StarForce problems, but I used an easily found no-dvd to fix that. Still the best sub-game I've played, I have sh4, but I'd rather be a German than a Yank! I've also managed to get it running at 1280x1024, keeping the 4:3 ratio, anything else stretches it to fit my tft panel, or crashes the game. specs; core 2 quad 6700 win7 64 bit 4gb ram nVidia 9800

02-02-10, 08:04 PM	#11
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	No reason you can't run SH3 on Win 7 natively. I have the DVD, patched to 1.4, installed GWX3.0 and SH3Commander. Set your resolution to 1024x768 the first time you run SH3 and it start. Then, exit and edit D3D9.cfg (in your SH3 directory) with notepad. Change the resolution to whatever you normally use. Save and restart SH3. You will now be running at your chosen resolution. I run at 1920x1080 and have not had any problems. If you have problems with getting SH3 to run on windows 7 - pm me and I will help out if I can. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

02-02-10, 09:16 PM	#12
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	Tnx Captain. Will try agn tomorrow...and let you know. Cheers, __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

02-02-10, 10:07 PM	#14
don1reed Ace of the Deep Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Valhalla: Silent Generation Posts: 1,149 Downloads: 910 Uploads: 0	It's the "Navigational Triangle". __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. ~ George Orwell

02-03-10, 12:35 PM	#15
Pisces Silent Hunter Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: AN9771 Posts: 4,904 Downloads: 304 Uploads: 0	Spherical trigonometry/geometry by the looks of it. __________________ My site downloads: https://ricojansen.nl/downloads