How much would you pay for the ultimate subsim?

GraylingSTS(SS) · 01-20-10, 10:57 PM

Hypothetically, how much would you pay for a U-boat sim that addressed all the recurring issues (lack of wolfpacks, dynamic campaign, historical accuracy, etc...) ?

Personally, I think an independent dev team could be successful by planning a true WW2 submarine simulation that was designed for the hardcore sub fan ONLY.

I believe that trying to develop a true subSIM and stay within a budget that allows it to be sold to the masses at Walmart for $49.99 is unrealistic.

Imagine if this dev team could narrow their target market to the "hardcore" sim crowd and perhaps even take input directly from the forums on this site? (Not that UBisoft hasn't, to some extent).

Why not charge a premium price for a premium product, market it directly to the target audience, release a finished project but charge a monthly fee for membership that would allow multiplayer wolfpacks and access to add ons?

Just food for thought!

Buddahaid · 01-20-10, 11:06 PM

Pipe dream, I'm afraid. The closet thing I know to that would be Orbiter, which is free. How much? In general, I'm willing to double the price for say, a product that is 100% domestic over imported. Call it isolationism if you want, but I believe in supporting local business.

JScones · 01-20-10, 11:11 PM

How much does Steel Beasts Pro PE go for now? I haven't played it, but believe it to be quite the simulation, even at the PE level.

So, I'd pay for an equivalent U-boat simulation whatever people pay for SBP PE. No more...no less...

Reece · 01-20-10, 11:12 PM

If it were possible $150, maybe more, I play Silent Hunter more that I would "play with windows", and you know how much that cost!!

Lanzfeld · 01-20-10, 11:16 PM

i have said for over 7 years now that i would $200 for a real fix to my personal list of problems with these games.

THE_MASK · 01-20-10, 11:21 PM

Silent hunter series is the only sub game and ubi is the only producer . If SH5 sales are a success and they decide to do an addon then i would pay the going rate for a pc game .

GoldenRivet · 01-20-10, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lanzfeld

i have said for over 7 years now that i would $200 for a real fix to my personal list of problems with these games.

$200 would be my limit.

$100 would be the median.

If it were the end all be all of subsims of course.

there are a lot of wish list items there... and yes it would be a 'pipe dream'

Ducimus · 01-20-10, 11:42 PM

The utlimate subsim would probably be a true replacment for SH3. Problem is (im guessing) the devs haven't been given the time, money or resources to accomplish that. Sh4 and Sh5 are ultimately derived from SH3. Or rather, SH4 was based off of SH3 to save time and money, and SH5 borrowed from that!

What is really wanted IMO is an entirely new game, designed from scratch from the ground up, with 4 years development time behind it. Sh5 reminds me alot like earlier versions of windows. Win98 was duct taped over Win95 , which was stapled over Win 3.1, which was glued over DOS, - if you follow my train of thought there.

GertFroebe_neu · 01-21-10, 03:53 AM

For a really really good sim I would pay 78 Euros. I like to support simulations and would not mind to pay a bit more for a really good one of this rare genre.

But there is no game like this in sight.

Sonarman · 01-21-10, 04:44 AM

It's not really a fair comparison with SB Pro PE as it is mostly funded by the military with the PE version being a public offshoot of the full product. I'm not sure today's navies would be interested in training their officers using a German U-Boat simulator!

Nimmo55 · 01-21-10, 06:36 AM

I for one would pay quite a lot...maybe even up to and including $250...but it would want to be the last word in U Boat simulations...not just eye candy...

nimmo55

01-21-10, 09:08 AM

Tough Question....I would happily give my house, my car, my wife and our little dashund called Colin to UBI just to have a chance to lick their shoes. So for a decent subsim, well i'd have to rob a small state just to pay for it.

Hitman · 01-21-10, 09:45 AM

So the highest bid is 200$?

Interesting, when you consider how many people will at the same time be buying a 2000$ computer to be able to play it

01-20-10, 10:57 PM	#1
GraylingSTS(SS) Bosun Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Kentucky, USA Posts: 62 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	How much would you pay for the ultimate subsim? Hypothetically, how much would you pay for a U-boat sim that addressed all the recurring issues (lack of wolfpacks, dynamic campaign, historical accuracy, etc...) ? Personally, I think an independent dev team could be successful by planning a true WW2 submarine simulation that was designed for the hardcore sub fan ONLY. I believe that trying to develop a true subSIM and stay within a budget that allows it to be sold to the masses at Walmart for $49.99 is unrealistic. Imagine if this dev team could narrow their target market to the "hardcore" sim crowd and perhaps even take input directly from the forums on this site? (Not that UBisoft hasn't, to some extent). Why not charge a premium price for a premium product, market it directly to the target audience, release a finished project but charge a monthly fee for membership that would allow multiplayer wolfpacks and access to add ons? Just food for thought! __________________ Only two types of ships in my Navy, submarines and targets!

01-20-10, 11:12 PM	#4
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,695 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	If it were possible $150, maybe more, I play Silent Hunter more that I would "play with windows", and you know how much that cost!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

01-21-10, 04:44 AM	#10
Sonarman The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ayr,Scotland,UK Posts: 1,392 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	It's not really a fair comparison with SB Pro PE as it is mostly funded by the military with the PE version being a public offshoot of the full product. I'm not sure today's navies would be interested in training their officers using a German U-Boat simulator! __________________ "The action is simulated...the excitement is real!" Microprose Simulation Software.

01-21-10, 09:45 AM	#13
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,109 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	So the highest bid is 200$? Interesting, when you consider how many people will at the same time be buying a 2000$ computer to be able to play it __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

01-20-10, 11:06 PM	#2
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Pipe dream, I'm afraid. The closet thing I know to that would be Orbiter, which is free. How much? In general, I'm willing to double the price for say, a product that is 100% domestic over imported. Call it isolationism if you want, but I believe in supporting local business.

01-20-10, 11:11 PM	#3
JScones Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 5,501 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	How much does Steel Beasts Pro PE go for now? I haven't played it, but believe it to be quite the simulation, even at the PE level. So, I'd pay for an equivalent U-boat simulation whatever people pay for SBP PE. No more...no less...

01-20-10, 11:16 PM	#5
Lanzfeld Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Tripoli, PA Posts: 994 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	i have said for over 7 years now that i would $200 for a real fix to my personal list of problems with these games.

01-20-10, 11:21 PM	#6
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Silent hunter series is the only sub game and ubi is the only producer . If SH5 sales are a success and they decide to do an addon then i would pay the going rate for a pc game .

01-20-10, 11:42 PM	#8
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The utlimate subsim would probably be a true replacment for SH3. Problem is (im guessing) the devs haven't been given the time, money or resources to accomplish that. Sh4 and Sh5 are ultimately derived from SH3. Or rather, SH4 was based off of SH3 to save time and money, and SH5 borrowed from that! What is really wanted IMO is an entirely new game, designed from scratch from the ground up, with 4 years development time behind it. Sh5 reminds me alot like earlier versions of windows. Win98 was duct taped over Win95 , which was stapled over Win 3.1, which was glued over DOS, - if you follow my train of thought there.

01-21-10, 03:53 AM	#9
GertFroebe_neu Mate Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Hamburg Germany Posts: 53 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	For a really really good sim I would pay 78 Euros. I like to support simulations and would not mind to pay a bit more for a really good one of this rare genre. But there is no game like this in sight.

01-21-10, 06:36 AM	#11
Nimmo55 A-ganger Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 71 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	I for one would pay quite a lot...maybe even up to and including $250...but it would want to be the last word in U Boat simulations...not just eye candy... nimmo55

01-21-10, 09:08 AM	#12
Uber Gruber Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Tough Question....I would happily give my house, my car, my wife and our little dashund called Colin to UBI just to have a chance to lick their shoes. So for a decent subsim, well i'd have to rob a small state just to pay for it.