Google's Finest Moment

Onkel Neal · 01-13-10, 01:06 PM

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As Google's engineers investigated the hack, they realized that organizations in China had been trying to penetrate the security systems of at least 20 American companies in the following fields: finance; technology; media; chemicals; the Internet. Moreover, the hackers' main targets appeared to be the Gmail accounts of human rights activists who specialize in China.

Maybe we need to build the great firewall of China? Around China?

Col. Caldwell · 01-13-10, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Maybe we need to build the great firewall of China? Around China?

lol China already has it's Great Firewall of China. They already restrict access to social networking sites to some extent. It's more like the US needs to beef up its own firewall.

AVGWarhawk · 01-13-10, 01:24 PM

It is a bit disturbing that China is doing this. Yes, a large firewall and anything else that can be used for security.

Catfish · 01-13-10, 01:44 PM

Hello,
China hacked servers of the german government already in 2002, but it was all "ok" and played down, since german companies have invested billions of money in production plants in China - would have been very bad for the dividend, and the fine upstanding german govenment having such a nice relationship to a stone-age communism, torturing dictatorship that regularly accuses Tibet for hiding weapons of mass destruction

, not to mention Taiwan.
Well, i also would not want to be judged by other nations, from my own government's and company's behaviour (which is astonishingly very close to each other) lol

It is almost "disturbing" for me as a german, that a company (if late) acts as Google just did - almost an event to change my viewpoint towards big companies ... but no, not yet lol.
Certainly, Google only reacted after being hacked by China itself ... but i'd still say Hats off !

Greetings,
Catfish

Buddahaid · 01-13-10, 02:32 PM

I think it would be fair to say most governments hack others routinely.

01-13-10, 03:33 PM

Good job Google.

Skybird · 01-13-10, 03:43 PM

Do not read too much into it. Google'S business inchina went bad, with little market shares. Google also tries to boost its global image, since it wants to beef up business by selling its own hardware that should be used to use their services even more. The hacking by the chinese is just the excuse to turn their back on a market in china that did not hold what it promised, but came at the cost of a PR desaster (Google voluntarily self-censored itself etc etc).

so, this decision of Google has nothing to do with good inetention and noble motives, and it certainly is not Google'S "finest moment". It's pure business decision. human rights and censorship plays no role at all in it.

Google is a data kraken that accumulates power by that that has no traditi9nal public or poltical legitimation at all. And as the German minstrre of jutsice just has pointed out soem days ago, it creates a massive, market-dominating monopole, almost onconfronted, while aggressively pushing ahead, creating precedneces that even break laws - and then see if they get away with it and can use this breaking of laws as a precedence for excusing even further pushing ahead. After all, privacy protection is unknown to them, and in America in general, awareness for privacy data protection is underdeveloped, to put it mildly, compared to EU laws.

For search terms that in any way one day could eventually be used against me in the widest range of possible contexts, I have stopped to use Google a longer while ago. Google Chrome is a big no-no, and despite Google earth I neither use nor support any Google services - especially not those where registration would be needed or data on my system and my internet behavior flows back to Google (especially true for Chrome), to get stored there for decades to come, without me having any knowledge abbout and access to these data sets, and where they are going and to whom they are being made available.

So, no finest moment of Google it is, Neal. It just is a business decision. Ideals have nothing, really nothing to do with it - else they would have done itmonths if not years earlier - or would never have agreed in the first to chinese conditions.

Sailor Steve · 01-13-10, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I think it would be fair to say most governments hack others routinely.

You mean that now they're using computers to, to...spy on each other?

What will they do next?

Ducimus · 01-13-10, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

It is a bit disturbing that China is doing this. Yes, a large firewall and anything else that can be used for security.

Lest we forget, China is still a communist country, with all the trappings thereof.

01-13-10, 01:24 PM	#3
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	It is a bit disturbing that China is doing this. Yes, a large firewall and anything else that can be used for security. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,765 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Hello, China hacked servers of the german government already in 2002, but it was all "ok" and played down, since german companies have invested billions of money in production plants in China - would have been very bad for the dividend, and the fine upstanding german govenment having such a nice relationship to a stone-age communism, torturing dictatorship that regularly accuses Tibet for hiding weapons of mass destruction , not to mention Taiwan. Well, i also would not want to be judged by other nations, from my own government's and company's behaviour (which is astonishingly very close to each other) lol It is almost "disturbing" for me as a german, that a company (if late) acts as Google just did - almost an event to change my viewpoint towards big companies ... but no, not yet lol. Certainly, Google only reacted after being hacked by China itself ... but i'd still say Hats off ! Greetings, Catfish Last edited by Catfish; 01-13-10 at 02:07 PM.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Do not read too much into it. Google'S business inchina went bad, with little market shares. Google also tries to boost its global image, since it wants to beef up business by selling its own hardware that should be used to use their services even more. The hacking by the chinese is just the excuse to turn their back on a market in china that did not hold what it promised, but came at the cost of a PR desaster (Google voluntarily self-censored itself etc etc). so, this decision of Google has nothing to do with good inetention and noble motives, and it certainly is not Google'S "finest moment". It's pure business decision. human rights and censorship plays no role at all in it. Google is a data kraken that accumulates power by that that has no traditi9nal public or poltical legitimation at all. And as the German minstrre of jutsice just has pointed out soem days ago, it creates a massive, market-dominating monopole, almost onconfronted, while aggressively pushing ahead, creating precedneces that even break laws - and then see if they get away with it and can use this breaking of laws as a precedence for excusing even further pushing ahead. After all, privacy protection is unknown to them, and in America in general, awareness for privacy data protection is underdeveloped, to put it mildly, compared to EU laws. For search terms that in any way one day could eventually be used against me in the widest range of possible contexts, I have stopped to use Google a longer while ago. Google Chrome is a big no-no, and despite Google earth I neither use nor support any Google services - especially not those where registration would be needed or data on my system and my internet behavior flows back to Google (especially true for Chrome), to get stored there for decades to come, without me having any knowledge abbout and access to these data sets, and where they are going and to whom they are being made available. So, no finest moment of Google it is, Neal. It just is a business decision. Ideals have nothing, really nothing to do with it - else they would have done itmonths if not years earlier - or would never have agreed in the first to chinese conditions. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	I think it would be fair to say most governments hack others routinely.

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Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Good job Google.