grumps - but it WILL run SH2!

She-Wolf · 12-28-09, 07:21 AM

Hello folks, hope you all had a pleasant Christmas.
Came to see if anyone has got SH3 ( or 4) to work on x64 Windows 7 yet - it can only be a matter of time...

I am not too bothered mind as I have them both on the old XP machine still, but would prefer to shift them over asap. Interestingly, I installed SH2 on the W7 machine, and at first I thought it wasn't going to work, because, again, all I got was sound and a black screen - but when I pressed Esc, it all sprang into life! Whey-hey!

I am sure I tried that with the later versions and got no result, but I am minded to put them back on and try again...

Best wishes for New Year all

Tarrasque · 12-28-09, 08:12 AM

Not sure what the problem is as both SH3 and SH4 work on my 64 bit Win 7 machine.

Do you get any error messages?

irish1958 · 12-28-09, 08:45 AM

Windows7 is Vista without most of the problems. Install it outside of the program files and you are good to go.
Runs fine on my 64 bit.

She-Wolf · 12-28-09, 09:44 AM

oh! no I do not get any error messages Tarrasque; it installs without complaint, I put the 1.4b patch on ( that right?) and then I have to do nocd (sorry mods) as it will not run otherwise, then I upgrade to GWX 3.00, activate the two mods I want ( Das Boot and visibility), and all works fine through the intro - then, nothing, just a black screen. Last time I installed I think I got sound as well, but this time just a black screen. I can't access Task Manager either, which means I have to shut the machine off by pressing the button, and that gives me an error message in event viewer, but no error messages in there in respect of the game.

So now I am puzzled as to what the problem is... do you have any problem with the security? I don't get given the screen to put the Game PID in when installing - it seems not to recognise the OS - Do you have the disk that requires the key to be entered? Also, may I ask what graphics card you have?

I have also tried running the game without GWX - same result

What you say makes me think that the problem is with the key, and so, if I got the later version of SH3 that did not need the key to be entered, all would be well......

Irish, indeed I have a non-C logical drive for the games, but that has not stopped the difficulties, sad to say. However, if you have it going OK, there is hope for me too, I just have to keep trying

Tarrasque · 12-28-09, 10:21 AM

I have the non starforce variant so can't help you there.

My graphics card is a NVidia 8800 GT running on the 195.62 drivers.

Have you tried SH3 without mods? Perhaps there's some bug in one of your mod installations?

Kimmers · 12-28-09, 10:43 AM

works for me on 7 as well, but i cant patch it to 1.4, gives the error message "version unknown" or something of the sort and gives me a link to some notepad document in my program files. oh well, i guess i should be satisfied playing stock sh3

Jimbuna · 12-28-09, 10:50 AM

I'm starting to wonder what pitfalls I might run into when I purchase my new x64 Windows 7 rig next month

She-Wolf · 12-28-09, 10:53 AM

Tarrasque, you HAVE helped, because you have told me that you DO have the non-starforce version - which confirms my suspicion that the problem I am having is because I have the old disk that requires a key input. Even though I have disabled that requirement, something is not working. I shall have to get a non-starforce disk to see if that makes a difference.

Yes, Tarrasque have tried running the game with nothing added but the patch ( which goes on without complaint for me Kimmers), but it made no difference.

Thanks for your help chaps, I feel a bit more hopeful that I can crack it now

danurve · 12-28-09, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I'm starting to wonder what pitfalls I might run into when I purchase my new x64 Windows 7 rig next month

Just more W-7 threads.

She-Wolf · 12-28-09, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

I'm starting to wonder what pitfalls I might run into when I purchase my new x64 Windows 7 rig next month

Jimbuna, it does seem that many more games work with W7 than do not, and when they do not, it is likely the problem lies with the security software or Live rather than the game itself. Suprisingly a lot of older games run on it as well.

This site carries a list of 'works', 'don't work' and 'needs tweaking', being constantly updated as people report their experiences.

http://www.sevenforums.com/gaming/

She-Wolf · 12-28-09, 12:02 PM

Bother, I put a non-starforce version disc on ( which, as Kimmers said does not allow you to patch it) and started the game up, but, just like before, I get nothing but a black screen after the intro - with sound but no video. That means it is not due to starforce.... back to square one. Bum

Tarrasque · 12-28-09, 12:19 PM

Some suggestions that you may/may not have tried:

1) Run as Administrator (Right click, Run as Admin)

2) Install DirectX 9 from microsoft.com (apparently Win 7 left out a few bits!)

3) Adjust your resolution in main.cfg (Documents/SH3)

4) Copy across from an Install on previous version of windows (Apparently the installation on Win 7 is messed up! N.B. My install of Win 7 was on a machine that had previously been Vista 32 bit so this one is the situation I'm in albeit inadvertently)

Hope these help.

She-Wolf · 12-28-09, 03:24 PM

thanks Tarrasque, a couple of things there I have not yet tried..

What should I set the resolution to?

irish1958 · 12-28-09, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by She-Wolf

thanks Tarrasque, a couple of things there I have not yet tried..

What should I set the resolution to?

Aren't all non starforce discs already patched? If so check the splash screen and it will have at the lower right hand corner v1.4

She-Wolf · 12-28-09, 04:18 PM

ah - I didn't know that Irish - makes sense, thank you.

However, I have done everything I can think of, uninstalling and reinstalling both disks, changing configs, resolutions, making compatible, etc, etc as other folks have suggested, and still no joy. I did get a message out of event viewer the last time though - faulting module kernel.dll. Fed up I am

12-28-09, 07:21 AM	#1
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	grumps - but it WILL run SH2! Hello folks, hope you all had a pleasant Christmas. Came to see if anyone has got SH3 ( or 4) to work on x64 Windows 7 yet - it can only be a matter of time... I am not too bothered mind as I have them both on the old XP machine still, but would prefer to shift them over asap. Interestingly, I installed SH2 on the W7 machine, and at first I thought it wasn't going to work, because, again, all I got was sound and a black screen - but when I pressed Esc, it all sprang into life! Whey-hey! I am sure I tried that with the later versions and got no result, but I am minded to put them back on and try again... Best wishes for New Year all __________________

12-28-09, 08:45 AM	#3
irish1958 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Carmel, Indiana Posts: 3,250 Downloads: 320 Uploads: 11	Windows7 is Vista without most of the problems. Install it outside of the program files and you are good to go. Runs fine on my 64 bit. __________________ Irish1958

12-28-09, 09:44 AM	#4
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	oh! no I do not get any error messages Tarrasque; it installs without complaint, I put the 1.4b patch on ( that right?) and then I have to do nocd (sorry mods) as it will not run otherwise, then I upgrade to GWX 3.00, activate the two mods I want ( Das Boot and visibility), and all works fine through the intro - then, nothing, just a black screen. Last time I installed I think I got sound as well, but this time just a black screen. I can't access Task Manager either, which means I have to shut the machine off by pressing the button, and that gives me an error message in event viewer, but no error messages in there in respect of the game. So now I am puzzled as to what the problem is... do you have any problem with the security? I don't get given the screen to put the Game PID in when installing - it seems not to recognise the OS - Do you have the disk that requires the key to be entered? Also, may I ask what graphics card you have? I have also tried running the game without GWX - same result What you say makes me think that the problem is with the key, and so, if I got the later version of SH3 that did not need the key to be entered, all would be well...... Irish, indeed I have a non-C logical drive for the games, but that has not stopped the difficulties, sad to say. However, if you have it going OK, there is hope for me too, I just have to keep trying __________________

12-28-09, 10:43 AM	#6
Kimmers Bosun Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: in the desert yo Posts: 63 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	works for me on 7 as well, but i cant patch it to 1.4, gives the error message "version unknown" or something of the sort and gives me a link to some notepad document in my program files. oh well, i guess i should be satisfied playing stock sh3 __________________

12-28-09, 10:50 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,481 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I'm starting to wonder what pitfalls I might run into when I purchase my new x64 Windows 7 rig next month __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-28-09, 08:12 AM	#2
Tarrasque Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: UK Posts: 253 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Not sure what the problem is as both SH3 and SH4 work on my 64 bit Win 7 machine. Do you get any error messages?

12-28-09, 10:21 AM	#5
Tarrasque Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: UK Posts: 253 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	I have the non starforce variant so can't help you there. My graphics card is a NVidia 8800 GT running on the 195.62 drivers. Have you tried SH3 without mods? Perhaps there's some bug in one of your mod installations?

12-28-09, 10:53 AM	#8
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Tarrasque, you HAVE helped, because you have told me that you DO have the non-starforce version - which confirms my suspicion that the problem I am having is because I have the old disk that requires a key input. Even though I have disabled that requirement, something is not working. I shall have to get a non-starforce disk to see if that makes a difference. Yes, Tarrasque have tried running the game with nothing added but the patch ( which goes on without complaint for me Kimmers), but it made no difference. Thanks for your help chaps, I feel a bit more hopeful that I can crack it now __________________

12-28-09, 12:02 PM	#11
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	Bother, I put a non-starforce version disc on ( which, as Kimmers said does not allow you to patch it) and started the game up, but, just like before, I get nothing but a black screen after the intro - with sound but no video. That means it is not due to starforce.... back to square one. Bum __________________

12-28-09, 12:19 PM	#12
Tarrasque Lieutenant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: UK Posts: 253 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Some suggestions that you may/may not have tried: 1) Run as Administrator (Right click, Run as Admin) 2) Install DirectX 9 from microsoft.com (apparently Win 7 left out a few bits!) 3) Adjust your resolution in main.cfg (Documents/SH3) 4) Copy across from an Install on previous version of windows (Apparently the installation on Win 7 is messed up! N.B. My install of Win 7 was on a machine that had previously been Vista 32 bit so this one is the situation I'm in albeit inadvertently) Hope these help.

12-28-09, 03:24 PM	#13
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	thanks Tarrasque, a couple of things there I have not yet tried.. What should I set the resolution to? __________________

12-28-09, 04:18 PM	#15
She-Wolf Watchdog Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Hampshire UK Posts: 971 Downloads: 152 Uploads: 0	ah - I didn't know that Irish - makes sense, thank you. However, I have done everything I can think of, uninstalling and reinstalling both disks, changing configs, resolutions, making compatible, etc, etc as other folks have suggested, and still no joy. I did get a message out of event viewer the last time though - faulting module kernel.dll. Fed up I am __________________