Easyjet Holocaust gaffe

11-20-09, 05:04 PM

http://www.newstatesman.com/2009/11/...syjet-magazine

That's pretty bad. How could they not know?

SteamWake · 11-20-09, 05:07 PM

What were they thinking

Dowly · 11-20-09, 05:12 PM

Ouch.

Platapus · 11-20-09, 06:01 PM

I am not familiar with German law. If it is illegal to take such pictures without permission than I can understand the issue. If, however, the law permits it, I frankly don't see the issue.

Biggles · 11-20-09, 06:03 PM

I don't see why you'd want to take such pictures at such a site in the first place...

11-20-09, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

I am not familiar with German law. If it is illegal to take such pictures without permission than I can understand the issue. If, however, the law permits it, I frankly don't see the issue.

Well I guess it's just a question of good/bad taste. Better to err on the side of caution in these things.

Schroeder · 11-20-09, 06:19 PM

The Holocaust memorial site is not a historic location. It is just a few concrete blocks in Berlin. AFAIK nothing holocaust regarding happened there so to a lot of people it is just that, a bunch of concrete blocks and nothing more.

Platapus · 11-20-09, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Well I guess it's just a question of good/bad taste. Better to err on the side of caution in these things.

If we are going to start subjecting marketing to this standard a lot will have to change.

And, of course, who gets to choose what is in "good" or "bad" "taste"?

I totally agree with Biggles, I don't know why they would shoot there.

But if the law allows it, they should be able to.

Skybird · 11-20-09, 07:36 PM

No point in discussing this. Either you have the class and sensibility to understand why this was a bad idea and is an example of extremely bad taste, or you have not.

I personally find the "Stelenfeld" unneeded in idea, and lousy in visual execution, btw. But liking it or not is not the point here. However, there have been other examples of thoughtlessness before, from punks smearing on the blocks, over tourists jumping from head to head of the blocks, to people bringing music, dancing and having Gothic picnic between the blocks.

So, lack of class and lack of sensibility goes far beyond Easyjet.

Platapus · 11-20-09, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

No point in discussing this. Either you have the class and sensibility to understand why this was a bad idea and is an example of extremely bad taste, or you have not.

Wow, way to insult and nullify people who may disagree with your opinion.

Task Force · 11-20-09, 09:09 PM

hmm... bad choice of place to take a pic for a magazine...

Skybird · 11-20-09, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Wow, way to insult and nullify people who may disagree with your opinion.

You either have what it takes to see the bad taste in this story, or you have not. And if you haven't, it says more about you than about me.

Some things are so basic and elemental that it is useless to even wanting to explain them - that's like sowing on a frozen field in mid-winter. the farmer's opinion has little to do with it, he either knows the right time of the year for sowing, or he does not.

Either you have the class and sensibility to see why it is bad taste, or you have not. If it would need an explanation, the explanation necessarily would be wasted.

Platapus · 11-20-09, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Some things are so basic and elemental that it is useless to even wanting to explain them

And that is why you will never learn.

Everything can and should be be discussed as everything has different understandings and interpretations.

A lot can be learned about an issue by trying to understand opposing viewpoints, not despite the fact that they are opposing, but because they are opposing.

Skybird · 11-20-09, 09:55 PM

Sad that you think the profaning of 6 million deaths for commerical purposes even must be discussed pro and contra, and "must be asked questions about" in order to understand those precious "different views and opinions". But in this case this is your failure, not mine, and not anybody elses. Sometimes things must not be relativised endlessly. Sometimes all that is needed is a clear, uncompromised judgement.

If you can't see that in this given case, I cannot help you. Maybe see some films on the holocaust, or talk to some Jews who had relatives in the camps.

onelifecrisis · 11-23-09, 04:24 PM

I can't believe this. The same guy who thinks the morality of war can be compared to that of a game of chess is now getting his knickers in a right old twist over a photo shoot, and how it "profanes the death of 6 million people"! I agree the shoot was in bad taste, but I marvel at your priorities, Skybird.

And that post about class and sensibility bordered on flame bait, even though I agree with what you were basically saying.

11-20-09, 05:04 PM	#1
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Easyjet Holocaust gaffe http://www.newstatesman.com/2009/11/...syjet-magazine That's pretty bad. How could they not know?

11-20-09, 05:07 PM	#2
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	What were they thinking __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

11-20-09, 06:01 PM	#4
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I am not familiar with German law. If it is illegal to take such pictures without permission than I can understand the issue. If, however, the law permits it, I frankly don't see the issue. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-20-09, 06:03 PM	#5
Biggles Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweden (I'm not a Viking...) Posts: 3,529 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I don't see why you'd want to take such pictures at such a site in the first place... __________________

11-20-09, 06:19 PM	#7
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	The Holocaust memorial site is not a historic location. It is just a few concrete blocks in Berlin. AFAIK nothing holocaust regarding happened there so to a lot of people it is just that, a bunch of concrete blocks and nothing more. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

11-20-09, 05:12 PM	#3
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Ouch.

11-20-09, 07:36 PM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	No point in discussing this. Either you have the class and sensibility to understand why this was a bad idea and is an example of extremely bad taste, or you have not. I personally find the "Stelenfeld" unneeded in idea, and lousy in visual execution, btw. But liking it or not is not the point here. However, there have been other examples of thoughtlessness before, from punks smearing on the blocks, over tourists jumping from head to head of the blocks, to people bringing music, dancing and having Gothic picnic between the blocks. So, lack of class and lack of sensibility goes far beyond Easyjet. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-20-09, 09:09 PM	#11
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	hmm... bad choice of place to take a pic for a magazine... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

11-20-09, 09:55 PM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Sad that you think the profaning of 6 million deaths for commerical purposes even must be discussed pro and contra, and "must be asked questions about" in order to understand those precious "different views and opinions". But in this case this is your failure, not mine, and not anybody elses. Sometimes things must not be relativised endlessly. Sometimes all that is needed is a clear, uncompromised judgement. If you can't see that in this given case, I cannot help you. Maybe see some films on the holocaust, or talk to some Jews who had relatives in the camps. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

11-23-09, 04:24 PM	#15
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	I can't believe this. The same guy who thinks the morality of war can be compared to that of a game of chess is now getting his knickers in a right old twist over a photo shoot, and how it "profanes the death of 6 million people"! I agree the shoot was in bad taste, but I marvel at your priorities, Skybird. And that post about class and sensibility bordered on flame bait, even though I agree with what you were basically saying.