Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

SteamWake · 10-09-09, 08:02 AM

For What?

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Originally Posted by Yahoo News

The award could be as much about issuing a slap at Obama's predecessor, former President George W. Bush, as about lauding Obama. Bush was reviled by the world for his cowboy diplomacy, Iraq war and snubbing of European priorities like global warming. Remember that the Nobel prize has a long history of being awarded more for the committee's aspirations than for others' accomplishments — for Mideast peace or a better South Africa, for instance.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091009/...bel_analysis_1

stabiz · 10-09-09, 08:05 AM

Yeah, what the ... It must be the first time someone wins for intentions. I firmly believe the award should be for people who have left a footprint of some kind.

10-09-09, 08:05 AM

If he had the slightest bit of integrity he would turn the prize down.

But really it should require more than simply not being as big a fool as Bush was to merit consideration.

Schroeder · 10-09-09, 08:07 AM

I think this is way too early. He hasn't achieved much yet. Maybe they want to influence him to keep to the diplomacy instead of relying on the military options.

Dread Knot · 10-09-09, 08:15 AM

Needless to say most Americans waking up to this news probably spewed their coffee halfway across the room. I can hear the "consolation prize for losing the Olympics" charge coming already.

Dowly · 10-09-09, 08:16 AM

Silly...

TDK1044 · 10-09-09, 08:18 AM

It was a close run off between him and Heidi and Spencer.

AVGWarhawk · 10-09-09, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by stabiz

Yeah, what the ... It must be the first time someone wins for intentions. I firmly believe the award should be for people who have left a footprint of some kind.

Yeah, like Al Gore

Makes no sense to me bro. Win millions for good intentions.

10-09-09, 08:25 AM

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Win millions for good intentions.

Like Kellogg did.

AVGWarhawk · 10-09-09, 08:31 AM

If I'm not mistaken the deadline for nominations is always Feb 1st. Just what did he do before Feb 1st 2009?

Onkel Neal · 10-09-09, 08:49 AM

Farce.

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“Who? What? So fast?” a shocked Walesa said when reporters told him about the latest Obama win.

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If I'm not mistaken the deadline for nominations is always Feb 1st. Just what did he do before Feb 1st 2009?

Indeed. The Nobel people had to give it to Obama asap, if they waited a couple years, it might be obvious all that sweet talk and promises were for naught.

Skybird · 10-09-09, 08:59 AM

Same question from me: for what? So far he has not many acchievements to show, just voiced intentions and blocked, delayed and prevented plans - some of which one even cannot be sure he has not expressed for anything more but different, more instrumental purposes only (nuke-free world, for example - but especially this intention alone gets mentioned by the comittee).

It is my understanding that an award like this is given in appreciation and recognition of already delivered acchievements. And award is given after a deed, not in order to motivate it or to assist it in the future execution. But the Nobel comittee repeatedly in the past 15 years has given the prize for literature and peace to people whose culturaL OR PoLTICAL "AGENDA" THEY WanTED TO PUSH BY THAT: tHAT MAKES THE NOBEL (CAPS LOCK FRENZY!)Comittee interfering with political developements where it neither has the legitimiation to do so, nor is in congruence with the intention of the Nobel award.

In the case of Obama it may be explained by a perception of all his many (too many!) high flying plans and promises being in danger of crashing during attempted take-off, and it may also be explained by the massive degree by which he is perceived as a messiah who promised to form a better world. If that is the case, then this years award'S says more about the hopes of the masses, then about the accievements of Obama, and it says about how hopelessly overestimated he is - so much overestimated that he almost necessarily must fail in delivering fulfillment for all these expectations. For which he is to blame himself, too, since he msaaively helped to let them skyrocket binto outer nirvana in order to win the election. Now it is becoming a bommerang more and more. But hey, every politicians lives by making unfulfillable promises.

I must say that since longer time my respect for the Nobel peace prize and the literature prize is low, if not non-existent. and intentions alone - mean nothing if not being turned into reality, for good or for bad. I wish for a better world, too, where reason and justice rule for the sake of freedom - why don't I get a Nobel prize? And yesterday I had a good intention and something that I considered to be a brilliant idea - award, please!

The literature prize also is strange, a German author born in Romania - who almost nobody knows in Germany. She lives just two parallel streets away from where I lived with my parents in Berlin, in Friedenau, I often passed that house and street when I lived in Berlin. that part of Berlin, Friedenau, is home to two more Nobel prize winning authors, both just some hundred meters away from our former home.

The world is a village.

AVGWarhawk · 10-09-09, 09:01 AM

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It is my understanding that an award like this is given in appreciation and recognition of already delivered acchievements.

Mine as well. It is kind of a black eye to those before Obama that did actually contribute to the world as a whole and not just think about it as Obama has done.

Skybird · 10-09-09, 09:04 AM

Grman newspaper Die Welt brought it to the point by saying this:

Mit dem Friedensnobelpreis an Barack Obama hat das Wunschdenken einen nie da gewesenen Triumph über die Realitäten der Weltpolitik erzielt.

Translation:
With the peace Nobel award for Barack Obama, wishful thinking has gained a triump like none before over the realities of global politics.

Perfect summary.

The whole comment, very critical of the decision, is worth to be read:

http://www.welt.de/politik/article47...als-Segen.html

They say the premature award will be a heavy (=counterproductive) mortage for Obama, and they call the past peace nobel awards since Perez, Rabin and Arafat a process of growing "Verkitschung" that now reaches a climax with Obama.

Die Juroren in Oslo haben sich von einer Obamania fortragen lassen, die - zum Besten der Menschheit – bereits deutlich am Verblassen war. (Die Welt) - The jurors in Oslo allowed themselves to be carried away by an Obamania that - for the best interest of mankind - already had started to fade very clearly recently.

stabiz · 10-09-09, 09:07 AM

Hehe, there is some speculation that they (we) did this to get a visit from Obama. When those freekin Danes get a visit we want one too!

10-09-09, 08:05 AM	#2
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Yeah, what the ... It must be the first time someone wins for intentions. I firmly believe the award should be for people who have left a footprint of some kind. __________________

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Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	I think this is way too early. He hasn't achieved much yet. Maybe they want to influence him to keep to the diplomacy instead of relying on the military options. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

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AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	If I'm not mistaken the deadline for nominations is always Feb 1st. Just what did he do before Feb 1st 2009? __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

10-09-09, 08:59 AM	#12
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Same question from me: *for what?* So far he has not many acchievements to show, just voiced intentions and blocked, delayed and prevented plans - some of which one even cannot be sure he has not expressed for anything more but different, more instrumental purposes only (nuke-free world, for example - but especially this intention alone gets mentioned by the comittee). It is my understanding that an award like this is given in appreciation and recognition of already delivered acchievements. And award is given after a deed, not in order to motivate it or to assist it in the future execution. But the Nobel comittee repeatedly in the past 15 years has given the prize for literature and peace to people whose culturaL OR PoLTICAL "AGENDA" THEY WanTED TO PUSH BY THAT: tHAT MAKES THE NOBEL (CAPS LOCK FRENZY!)Comittee interfering with political developements where it neither has the legitimiation to do so, nor is in congruence with the intention of the Nobel award. In the case of Obama it may be explained by a perception of all his many (too many!) high flying plans and promises being in danger of crashing during attempted take-off, and it may also be explained by the massive degree by which he is perceived as a messiah who promised to form a better world. If that is the case, then this years award'S says more about the hopes of the masses, then about the accievements of Obama, and it says about how hopelessly overestimated he is - so much overestimated that he almost necessarily must fail in delivering fulfillment for all these expectations. For which he is to blame himself, too, since he msaaively helped to let them skyrocket binto outer nirvana in order to win the election. Now it is becoming a bommerang more and more. But hey, every politicians lives by making unfulfillable promises. I must say that since longer time my respect for the Nobel peace prize and the literature prize is low, if not non-existent. and intentions alone - mean nothing if not being turned into reality, for good or for bad. I wish for a better world, too, where reason and justice rule for the sake of freedom - why don't I get a Nobel prize? And yesterday I had a good intention and something that I considered to be a brilliant idea - award, please! The literature prize also is strange, a German author born in Romania - who almost nobody knows in Germany. She lives just two parallel streets away from where I lived with my parents in Berlin, in Friedenau, I often passed that house and street when I lived in Berlin. that part of Berlin, Friedenau, is home to two more Nobel prize winning authors, both just some hundred meters away from our former home. The world is a village. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-09-09, 09:04 AM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Grman newspaper Die Welt brought it to the point by saying this: Mit dem Friedensnobelpreis an Barack Obama hat das Wunschdenken einen nie da gewesenen Triumph über die Realitäten der Weltpolitik erzielt. Translation: With the peace Nobel award for Barack Obama, wishful thinking has gained a triump like none before over the realities of global politics. Perfect summary. The whole comment, very critical of the decision, is worth to be read: http://www.welt.de/politik/article47...als-Segen.html They say the premature award will be a heavy (=counterproductive) mortage for Obama, and they call the past peace nobel awards since Perez, Rabin and Arafat a process of growing "Verkitschung" that now reaches a climax with Obama. Die Juroren in Oslo haben sich von einer Obamania fortragen lassen, die - zum Besten der Menschheit – bereits deutlich am Verblassen war. (Die Welt) - The jurors in Oslo allowed themselves to be carried away by an Obamania that - for the best interest of mankind - already had started to fade very clearly recently. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 10-09-09 at 09:18 AM.

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Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	If he had the slightest bit of integrity he would turn the prize down. But really it should require more than simply not being as big a fool as Bush was to merit consideration.

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Dread Knot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,288 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Needless to say most Americans waking up to this news probably spewed their coffee halfway across the room. I can hear the "consolation prize for losing the Olympics" charge coming already.

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,052 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Silly...

10-09-09, 08:18 AM	#7
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	It was a close run off between him and Heidi and Spencer.

10-09-09, 09:07 AM	#15
stabiz Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 4,224 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Hehe, there is some speculation that they (we) did this to get a visit from Obama. When those freekin Danes get a visit we want one too! __________________