Lets see who I offend with this one

clayp · 06-29-09, 08:07 PM

Here we go again - ACLU backed issue to remove another memorial cross From: "John Wear" <johnwear@comcast.netTo: "John Wear" <johnwear@comcast.netSubject: Please Watch this video...and please pass on...!!!!!Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:52:13 -0400 I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF ONE MAN. I HOPE CALIFORNIAVOTES TO KEEP IT. PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ALL YOU KNOW. IF YOU AGREE. What is going on here???THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN 12,600+ HITS ON THIS VIDEO. IT NEEDS TO BE SEEN BYMANY, MANY MORE PEOPLE. PLEASE SPREAD IT AROUND TO YOUR ENTIRE ADDRESS BOOK.TO THINK ONE INDIVIDUAL, JUST ONE, CAN TAKE A CASE LIKE THIS TO THECALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT AND GET A HEARING. WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY. WE, THE PEOPLE ARE LOSING ARE RIGHTS ALITTLE AT A TIME AND WE ARE LETTING THESE SO CALLED CONGRESSMAN STICK IT TOUS. THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN, THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN WELFARE ANDPOWER. IT'S TIME WE ALL WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. WE'LL LOOK OUT OURWINDOW SOME DAY AND SEE A DIFFERENT FLAG WAVING OVER OUR SOIL. WE SHOULD DOEVERYTHING WE CAN TO PREVENT THIS MEMORIAL FROM BEING TORN DOWN. ACLU insanity EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD SEE THIS VIDEO. The ACLU needs to go!!!!!! Andtake ACORN with them!!!

SteamWake · 06-29-09, 08:28 PM

Im offended by the wall of text poor fomatting and all caps.

Dowly · 06-29-09, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Im offended by the wall of text poor fomatting and all caps.

Same.

EDIT: Here, made it abit easier to read.

ACLU backed issue to remove another memorial cross

Subject: Please Watch this video...and please pass on...!!!!!

I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF ONE MAN. I HOPE CALIFORNIA VOTES TO KEEP IT. PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ALL YOU KNOW. IF YOU AGREE. What is going on here??? THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN 12,600+ HITS ON THIS VIDEO. IT NEEDS TO BE SEEN BY MANY, MANY MORE PEOPLE. PLEASE SPREAD IT AROUND TO YOUR ENTIRE ADDRESS BOOK. TO THINK ONE INDIVIDUAL, JUST ONE, CAN TAKE A CASE LIKE THIS TO THE CALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT AND GET A HEARING. WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY. WE, THE PEOPLE ARE LOSING ARE RIGHTS ALITTLE AT A TIME AND WE ARE LETTING THESE SO CALLED CONGRESSMAN STICK IT TO US. THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN, THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN WELFARE AND POWER. IT'S TIME WE ALL WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. WE'LL LOOK OUT OUR WINDOW SOME DAY AND SEE A DIFFERENT FLAG WAVING OVER OUR SOIL. WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PREVENT THIS MEMORIAL FROM BEING TORN DOWN. ACLU insanity EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD SEE THIS VIDEO The ACLU needs to go!!!!!! And take ACORN with them!!!

ETR3(SS) · 06-29-09, 10:03 PM

I'm a man who looks at the cold hard facts before making a decision one way or another. In my research for these facts I came across this.

http://www.saveourmemorials.com/docs...ckgrounder.pdf

If I remember my high school U.S. Government course correctly the U.S. Congress is higher in the food chain than the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. So when Congress passes a bill it becomes law, unless the President decides to veto it. If the President does not veto it the only branch of government left with any authority to repeal said law is the U.S. Supreme Court. So where does the 9th Circuit Court get off that they are higher than the Supreme Court and can countermand what Congress passes at will? Personally I'm tired of hearing about all the screwed up crap the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is overturning and thinking they have any say over.

clayp · 06-29-09, 10:14 PM

I just copied and pasted it,I didnt write it in all caps...

Task Force · 06-29-09, 10:17 PM

you comitted one of the 10 grammer sins of the internets.

:rotfl:

TarJak · 06-29-09, 10:24 PM

And you commit the other 9 every post.

Task Force · 06-29-09, 10:28 PM

its all cause I got nothin to do.

im tryin to beat the spam king...

TarJak · 06-29-09, 10:46 PM

Well learn some spelling and grammar whilst you are at it instead of typing like a sunstruck arab!

Buddahaid · 06-29-09, 11:40 PM

Although I see the point in removing a symbol for one faith from public land, separation of church and state being the crux of the matter (pun intended), it is a pretty stupid lawsuit. I suggest the property be sold to a private non-profit, or declared a national landmark as is.

Just for reference, here's a photo of part of the Pacific WW2 Memorial at the Presidio in SF. No cross, but a reference to our Lord.

Buddahaid · 06-29-09, 11:54 PM

On further thought, let it be a warning to all churches that their crosses remain attached to the building. Otherwise they're in US sovereign airspace and clearly in violation of the separation of church and state.

Buddahaid

SteamWake · 06-30-09, 08:22 AM

1.) It is not the supreme court's duty not to make laws rather to rule on the existing ones. Evidently that fact has been overlooked.

2.) Seperation of church and state is a paraphrase of the first amendment which basically states the goverment shall not mess with your right to practice a religion nor shall they impose any religion upon the public.

3.) ACLU always seems to pick the wrong battle. Something in me says they do this to get there name in the news. We have heard very little from them since during the Obama Campaign. Now they grow restless. Where werre they on the Sotamyer / Fire fighter thing? Where are they on the manslaughter in Iraq?

Tchocky · 06-30-09, 08:26 AM

http://www.aclu.org/racialjustice/ge...s20090629.html

SteamWake · 06-30-09, 08:33 AM

Well that figures

Quote:

We are disappointed with today's decision because we believe that the city of New Haven had stronger reasons for believing that its test was discriminatory than the court acknowledged. However, the Court was clear today that employers need to scrutinize their hiring procedures before administering them to ensure that they are fair and non-discriminatory. Moreover, the decision leaves room for employers to take steps voluntarily to assure that discrimination in the workplace is eliminated and to guarantee that efforts to assure fair and equal access to employment can continue.

In other words make the test easier as is being done in the schools.

AngusJS · 06-30-09, 11:05 AM

If it was still on government land, it should be taken down - it shouldn't have been put there in the first place. From what I could tell, it has no aesthetic or historical significance. It looks like it's just a cross that someone put up, rather than an actual memorial. It is not part of a larger complex or anything like that.

Now that the VFW holds the land, however, they can do what they like.

Regarding the dishonoring veterans bit - what about nonbelieving veterans? Aren't they being dishonored by bringing religion in on something meant to commemorate their sacrifice?

06-29-09, 08:07 PM	#1
clayp The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,554 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 0	Lets see who I offend with this one Here we go again - ACLU backed issue to remove another memorial cross From: "John Wear" <johnwear@comcast.netTo: "John Wear" <johnwear@comcast.netSubject: Please Watch this video...and please pass on...!!!!!Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:52:13 -0400 I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THIS IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF ONE MAN. I HOPE CALIFORNIAVOTES TO KEEP IT. PLEASE PASS THIS ON TO ALL YOU KNOW. IF YOU AGREE. What is going on here???THERE HAVE ONLY BEEN 12,600+ HITS ON THIS VIDEO. IT NEEDS TO BE SEEN BYMANY, MANY MORE PEOPLE. PLEASE SPREAD IT AROUND TO YOUR ENTIRE ADDRESS BOOK.TO THINK ONE INDIVIDUAL, JUST ONE, CAN TAKE A CASE LIKE THIS TO THECALIFORNIA SUPREME COURT AND GET A HEARING. WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY. WE, THE PEOPLE ARE LOSING ARE RIGHTS ALITTLE AT A TIME AND WE ARE LETTING THESE SO CALLED CONGRESSMAN STICK IT TOUS. THEY DON'T GIVE A DAMN, THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR OWN WELFARE ANDPOWER. IT'S TIME WE ALL WAKE UP BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE. WE'LL LOOK OUT OURWINDOW SOME DAY AND SEE A DIFFERENT FLAG WAVING OVER OUR SOIL. WE SHOULD DOEVERYTHING WE CAN TO PREVENT THIS MEMORIAL FROM BEING TORN DOWN. ACLU insanity EVERY AMERICAN SHOULD SEE THIS VIDEO. The ACLU needs to go!!!!!! Andtake ACORN with them!!! __________________ clayp

06-29-09, 08:28 PM	#2
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Im offended by the wall of text poor fomatting and all caps. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

06-29-09, 10:03 PM	#4
ETR3(SS) Ocean Warrior Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Between test depth and periscope depth Posts: 3,021 Downloads: 175 Uploads: 16	I'm a man who looks at the cold hard facts before making a decision one way or another. In my research for these facts I came across this. http://www.saveourmemorials.com/docs...ckgrounder.pdf If I remember my high school U.S. Government course correctly the U.S. Congress is higher in the food chain than the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals. So when Congress passes a bill it becomes law, unless the President decides to veto it. If the President does not veto it the only branch of government left with any authority to repeal said law is the U.S. Supreme Court. So where does the 9th Circuit Court get off that they are higher than the Supreme Court and can countermand what Congress passes at will? Personally I'm tired of hearing about all the screwed up crap the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals is overturning and thinking they have any say over. __________________ USS Kentucky SSBN 737 (G) Comms Div 2003-2006 Qualified 19 November 03 Yes I was really on a submarine.

06-29-09, 10:14 PM	#5
clayp The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,554 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 0	I just copied and pasted it,I didnt write it in all caps... __________________ clayp

06-29-09, 10:17 PM	#6
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	you comitted one of the 10 grammer sins of the internets.:rotfl: __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

06-29-09, 10:24 PM	#7
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	And you commit the other 9 every post.

06-29-09, 10:28 PM	#8
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	its all cause I got nothin to do. im tryin to beat the spam king... __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

06-29-09, 10:46 PM	#9
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Well learn some spelling and grammar whilst you are at it instead of typing like a sunstruck arab!

06-29-09, 11:40 PM	#10
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	Although I see the point in removing a symbol for one faith from public land, separation of church and state being the crux of the matter (pun intended), it is a pretty stupid lawsuit. I suggest the property be sold to a private non-profit, or declared a national landmark as is. Just for reference, here's a photo of part of the Pacific WW2 Memorial at the Presidio in SF. No cross, but a reference to our Lord.

06-29-09, 11:54 PM	#11
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	On further thought, let it be a warning to all churches that their crosses remain attached to the building. Otherwise they're in US sovereign airspace and clearly in violation of the separation of church and state. Buddahaid

06-30-09, 08:22 AM	#12
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	1.) It is not the supreme court's duty not to make laws rather to rule on the existing ones. Evidently that fact has been overlooked. 2.) Seperation of church and state is a paraphrase of the first amendment which basically states the goverment shall not mess with your right to practice a religion nor shall they impose any religion upon the public. 3.) ACLU always seems to pick the wrong battle. Something in me says they do this to get there name in the news. We have heard very little from them since during the Obama Campaign. Now they grow restless. Where werre they on the Sotamyer / Fire fighter thing? Where are they on the manslaughter in Iraq? __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

06-30-09, 08:26 AM	#13
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	http://www.aclu.org/racialjustice/ge...s20090629.html __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

06-30-09, 11:05 AM	#15
AngusJS Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 746 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	If it was still on government land, it should be taken down - it shouldn't have been put there in the first place. From what I could tell, it has no aesthetic or historical significance. It looks like it's just a cross that someone put up, rather than an actual memorial. It is not part of a larger complex or anything like that. Now that the VFW holds the land, however, they can do what they like. Regarding the dishonoring veterans bit - what about nonbelieving veterans? Aren't they being dishonored by bringing religion in on something meant to commemorate their sacrifice?