Iran Election Result

Steel_Tomb · 06-13-09, 07:49 AM

Why am I not surprised about him winning again? Does anyone actually believe the 60-30% margin he won by is legit? Looks like a complete farce to me, as from what I've seen it was expected to be a very tight race. What you guys think?

Lurchi · 06-13-09, 07:55 AM

I couldn' t believe it this morning. I was pretty confident that Mussawi would make it considering his support from young iranians, especially women.

Either the reports here on TV painted a totally wrong picture or something really went wrong. It certainly smells fishy ...

Steel_Tomb · 06-13-09, 08:12 AM

Thats what I thought, from what the BBC and the like have been saying is that the opposition had strong support. But if you look at the final poll its as if everyone hated him. I was really hopeful that these elections would bring a more moderate leader to Iran, and maybe start on mending ties with the western world... but it looks like the revolutionaries have done there bit to make sure that doesn't happen. I wonder what kind of signals this sends off to Washington?

Skybird · 06-13-09, 08:22 AM

Let's sit still, be a hole in the water and listen for a while. and most important: stay out of Iranian inner politics. Any interference whatever can only make things worse. Let them settle their affairs (but hold them responsible for their choices).

I perceived a split in Iran like the one I saw in Turkey. In the big cities, Mussawi probably was strong. But in the rural places, when I was there, nationalistic and clerical conservatives were the strong majority.

Although I see it from a perspective from the early to mid-90s. Things may have changed due to the isolation and the failed youth "rebellion" in the 90s (which brought both moderate and extremist young people to the streets of the cities). I haven't been there since then.

Anyway, the president should not be overestimated anyway, for this simple reason:

"Waiting for the new president"

SteamWake · 06-13-09, 08:40 AM

Waiting for a new president :rotfl:

The Mullah's run the show anyhow.

The election is a sham.

Letum · 06-13-09, 09:00 AM

I see no reason to suspect vote rigging.
As SB rightly said, Mussawi may have had a core in the affluent new thinkers
in the cities-modern, but in rural areas and the city-old there hasn't been
much change since the last election. Why should there have been?

If the news here made the Mussawi support look big, it is only because
Ahmadinejad supporters arn't news anymore.

Jimbuna · 06-13-09, 09:12 AM

If this election was rigged, I doubt it would be by Ahmadinejad, but rather by the Mullah's.

They obviously have a tight grip on the reigns of power and find it much easier to mould and control Ahmadinejad in their ways than they would have been able to with Mussawi.

Stealth Hunter · 06-13-09, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

The Mullah's run the show anyhow.

Don't forget the "beloved" Ayatollah.

SteamWake · 06-13-09, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Don't forget the "beloved" Ayatollah.

He is one of the Mullah's.

Mullah is " an educated Muslim trained in religious law and doctrine and usually holding an official post "

JSLTIGER · 06-13-09, 10:08 AM

Still though...four more years with this guy?!

SteamWake · 06-13-09, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by JSLTIGER

Still though...four more years with this guy?!

At least it wont me the same old. Now he's gonna have nukes.

Skybird · 06-13-09, 01:00 PM

Mussawi made very precise statements over observers being chased out of polling stations and counters at the last moment being replaced by unlegitimised foreigners nobody had seen before. He also pointed out that incredibly short time after the stations closed, almost 8 million votes were claimed to have already been counted - which in the Iranian counting system would not be possible after such an unbelievable short time.

I fear the accusation that the elections had been rigged, has quite some substance. Currently, occasional gunfire is to be heared in Teheran. I am not sure that there will be relections, though. I tend towards a No on that question.

The controversial figure for the Mullahs is not Mussawi himself, but his wife.

Letum · 06-13-09, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Currently, occasional gunfire is to be heared in Teheran.

Isn't that a normal form of celebration in some parts?

Skybird · 06-13-09, 02:19 PM

It's not celebrations, but clashes between police and protesters.

SteamWake · 06-13-09, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

It's not celebrations, but clashes between police and protesters.

Like he said isnt that 'normal'? :rotfl:

06-13-09, 07:49 AM	#1
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Iran Election Result Why am I not surprised about him winning again? Does anyone actually believe the 60-30% margin he won by is legit? Looks like a complete farce to me, as from what I've seen it was expected to be a very tight race. What you guys think? __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

06-13-09, 08:12 AM	#3
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Thats what I thought, from what the BBC and the like have been saying is that the opposition had strong support. But if you look at the final poll its as if everyone hated him. I was really hopeful that these elections would bring a more moderate leader to Iran, and maybe start on mending ties with the western world... but it looks like the revolutionaries have done there bit to make sure that doesn't happen. I wonder what kind of signals this sends off to Washington? __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

06-13-09, 08:22 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,603 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Let's sit still, be a hole in the water and listen for a while. and most important: stay out of Iranian inner politics. Any interference whatever can only make things worse. Let them settle their affairs (but hold them responsible for their choices). I perceived a split in Iran like the one I saw in Turkey. In the big cities, Mussawi probably was strong. But in the rural places, when I was there, nationalistic and clerical conservatives were the strong majority. Although I see it from a perspective from the early to mid-90s. Things may have changed due to the isolation and the failed youth "rebellion" in the 90s (which brought both moderate and extremist young people to the streets of the cities). I haven't been there since then. Anyway, the president should not be overestimated anyway, for this simple reason: "Waiting for the new president" __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-13-09, 08:40 AM	#5
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Waiting for a new president :rotfl: The Mullah's run the show anyhow. The election is a sham. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

06-13-09, 09:00 AM	#6
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I see no reason to suspect vote rigging. As SB rightly said, Mussawi may have had a core in the affluent new thinkers in the cities-modern, but in rural areas and the city-old there hasn't been much change since the last election. Why should there have been? If the news here made the Mussawi support look big, it is only because Ahmadinejad supporters arn't news anymore. __________________

06-13-09, 07:55 AM	#2
Lurchi Planesman Join Date: May 2005 Location: Wilhelmshaven, Germany Posts: 181 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	I couldn' t believe it this morning. I was pretty confident that Mussawi would make it considering his support from young iranians, especially women. Either the reports here on TV painted a totally wrong picture or something really went wrong. It certainly smells fishy ...

06-13-09, 09:12 AM	#7
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	If this election was rigged, I doubt it would be by Ahmadinejad, but rather by the Mullah's. They obviously have a tight grip on the reigns of power and find it much easier to mould and control Ahmadinejad in their ways than they would have been able to with Mussawi. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-13-09, 10:08 AM	#10
JSLTIGER The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Parkland, FL, USA Posts: 1,437 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Still though...four more years with this guy?! __________________ Thor: Intel Core i7 4770K\|ASUS Z87Pro\|32GB DDR3 RAM\|11GB EVGA GeForce RTX 2080Ti Black\|256GB Crucial M4 SSD+2TB WD HDD\|4X LG BD-RE\|32" Acer Predator Z321QU 165Hz G-Sync (2540x1440)\|Logitech Z-323 2.1 Sound\|Win 10 Pro Explorer (MSI GL63 8RE-629 Laptop): Intel Core i7 8750H\|16GB DDR4 RAM\|6GB GeForce GTX 1060\|128GB SSD+1TB HDD\|15.6" Widescreen (1920x1080)\|Logitech R-20 2.1 Sound\|Win 10 Home

06-13-09, 01:00 PM	#12
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,603 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Mussawi made very precise statements over observers being chased out of polling stations and counters at the last moment being replaced by unlegitimised foreigners nobody had seen before. He also pointed out that incredibly short time after the stations closed, almost 8 million votes were claimed to have already been counted - which in the Iranian counting system would not be possible after such an unbelievable short time. I fear the accusation that the elections had been rigged, has quite some substance. Currently, occasional gunfire is to be heared in Teheran. I am not sure that there will be relections, though. I tend towards a No on that question. The controversial figure for the Mullahs is not Mussawi himself, but his wife. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-13-09, 02:19 PM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,603 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It's not celebrations, but clashes between police and protesters. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.