Root cause of last DID death

BasilY · 04-02-09, 01:26 PM

August 1941, Captain Georg Jahn went to the bottom when he ignored three self-imposed rules of engagement.

1. Do not attempt a convoy penetration with less than 2 torps.
2. Abort and dive (to 230m in IXC) immediately upon discovery by escort.
3. Do not dive beyond 160 with previous hull damage.

U-65 (IXC) attempted to finished off a wounded large merchant in a convoy with the last torpedo on board. Unfortunately, the u-boat was detected by the alert escort on the starboard side of the convoy before getting into a good firing position. Still trying to sink that large merchant, U-65 stayed near the surface after narrowly avoiding one DC run.

Soon, three escorts are converging on u-65. After U-65 finally fire off the torpedo at the intended target and dive, she was damaged by the third DD run. The u-boat was destroyed by pressure about 180 meters under the surface. The intended target was hit but not sunk (yet).

Root cause of this lost: Greed + Bravado

Otto Heinzmeir · 04-02-09, 09:15 PM

I chalk up my last DID to AI. Getting used to a new mod that is less forgiving than ones I played previously. I did what I had done before in game, only instead of 2 lousy escorts that are often clueless. Six additional DD's were called in from surrounding ports or patrols and they were much more accurate than I have seen in early war.

I don't mind though because I want my game experience to be a little more realistic in that there are certain places that should be avoided as they were in real life. So one of my new not to do's in my current mod is don't follow convoy's into channels West and South of Britain where they can be quickly call in escort support. Looking at the patrols on uboat.com, they show locations of u-boats at certain times during their patrols. Looking at the locations, it would appear that these channels were not hunted often. It was safer to attack the convoys out in open sea.

RoaldLarsen · 04-02-09, 09:55 PM

Other: type IX sunk by air attack in 1943.

My last 6 DiDs went this way.

All but one were sunk while attempting to crash dive after having been surfaced to recharge. None of these boats was surfaced longer than necessary to charge batteries, and the battery recharge required was not more than about 20%, usually much less. If weather conditions allowed, they were running decks awash to reduce diving time, and were making 10 knots or greater.

The remaining boat was sunk just a couple of minutes after parting company with its harbour escort, in water too shallow for a crash dive.

sharkbit · 04-03-09, 10:00 AM

Laziness:
U-48 in the fjiord near Narvik, April 1940.
Torpedoed and sank the Rodney(didn't install the Warspite fix yet) with 8+ escorts around.
Got lazy and stayed at PD with my scope up to watch the fireworks instead of going deep and creeping away.

Went down with all hands with a posthumous award of oak leaves to my Knight's Cross.

Lt.Fillipidis · 04-03-09, 04:58 PM

Extreme bad luck i'd say.
I wrote this to another post too but anyway.
It appeared that a US sniper had joined the navy
cause in my last DID, in my 13th patrol with about 7% integrity, a DD snipershotted me from 7-8km away near the US coast in oily seas.
Spent the next 2 real life ours looking for my jaw somewhere on the floor.

Lt.Fillipidis · 04-03-09, 06:17 PM

It appears that a new DID is added to the files.
Just a min ago, my uboat sunk cause i didnt noticed the radio room flooding...
Went to take a pee while i had my damage control team repairing and till i came back, the boat was sunk...
I might write a story about it

abclkhan · 04-05-09, 05:11 PM

irish sea, 1941. U-122 IXB GWX3

Torpedoed a large merchant for 10000ton
Tried to shoot at a second target and was spotted
Dove to the botton end headed north, but unfortunately water got each time shallower until I catch myself at 40m depth and 3DDs above.
Took several DC (those times when the escort comes from bearing 180 leaving few time to maneuver) and crashed the floor for 3 times, ugh
then I decided to go south-east and evaded the escorts successfully.
This was at depth of 70m.
Then I decided to go deeper and lost the boat at 80m i think, by pressure.
As I saw later, hull integrity was at 20% before the accident.

inatttentiveness... and good AI opponent.

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04-02-09, 01:26 PM	#1
BasilY Weps Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 359 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Root cause of last DID death August 1941, Captain Georg Jahn went to the bottom when he ignored three self-imposed rules of engagement. 1. Do not attempt a convoy penetration with less than 2 torps. 2. Abort and dive (to 230m in IXC) immediately upon discovery by escort. 3. Do not dive beyond 160 with previous hull damage. U-65 (IXC) attempted to finished off a wounded large merchant in a convoy with the last torpedo on board. Unfortunately, the u-boat was detected by the alert escort on the starboard side of the convoy before getting into a good firing position. Still trying to sink that large merchant, U-65 stayed near the surface after narrowly avoiding one DC run. Soon, three escorts are converging on u-65. After U-65 finally fire off the torpedo at the intended target and dive, she was damaged by the third DD run. The u-boat was destroyed by pressure about 180 meters under the surface. The intended target was hit but not sunk (yet). Root cause of this lost: Greed + Bravado

04-02-09, 09:15 PM	#2
Otto Heinzmeir Weps Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Wilhelmshaven Local Pub Posts: 361 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I chalk up my last DID to AI. Getting used to a new mod that is less forgiving than ones I played previously. I did what I had done before in game, only instead of 2 lousy escorts that are often clueless. Six additional DD's were called in from surrounding ports or patrols and they were much more accurate than I have seen in early war. I don't mind though because I want my game experience to be a little more realistic in that there are certain places that should be avoided as they were in real life. So one of my new not to do's in my current mod is don't follow convoy's into channels West and South of Britain where they can be quickly call in escort support. Looking at the patrols on uboat.com, they show locations of u-boats at certain times during their patrols. Looking at the locations, it would appear that these channels were not hunted often. It was safer to attack the convoys out in open sea. __________________ NYGM3.2 + Tonnage War Minefield________IABLShipsRezonedFinal Hitman Optics & Compass_______________Thomsen's Sound Mod v3 100% Realism DID + No God's Eye View____SH3 Commander Crew Rotation

04-02-09, 09:55 PM	#3
RoaldLarsen Weps Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Control Room Posts: 355 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Other: type IX sunk by air attack in 1943. My last 6 DiDs went this way. All but one were sunk while attempting to crash dive after having been surfaced to recharge. None of these boats was surfaced longer than necessary to charge batteries, and the battery recharge required was not more than about 20%, usually much less. If weather conditions allowed, they were running decks awash to reduce diving time, and were making 10 knots or greater. The remaining boat was sunk just a couple of minutes after parting company with its harbour escort, in water too shallow for a crash dive. __________________ 100% realism, DiD Harbor Traffic 1.47(incl. RUB) Using SH3 Commander to implement many custom realism tweaks Covered 1939-1945; now restarting in 1939 again. Completed 39 careers, 210 war patrols, 4.7Mt sunk, 19 subs lost

04-03-09, 10:00 AM	#4
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	Laziness: U-48 in the fjiord near Narvik, April 1940. Torpedoed and sank the Rodney(didn't install the Warspite fix yet) with 8+ escorts around. Got lazy and stayed at PD with my scope up to watch the fireworks instead of going deep and creeping away. Went down with all hands with a posthumous award of oak leaves to my Knight's Cross. __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

04-03-09, 04:58 PM	#5
Lt.Fillipidis Weps Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Veria, Greece Posts: 365 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Extreme bad luck i'd say. I wrote this to another post too but anyway. It appeared that a US sniper had joined the navy cause in my last DID, in my 13th patrol with about 7% integrity, a DD snipershotted me from 7-8km away near the US coast in oily seas. Spent the next 2 real life ours looking for my jaw somewhere on the floor.

04-03-09, 06:17 PM	#6
Lt.Fillipidis Weps Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Veria, Greece Posts: 365 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	It appears that a new DID is added to the files. Just a min ago, my uboat sunk cause i didnt noticed the radio room flooding... Went to take a pee while i had my damage control team repairing and till i came back, the boat was sunk... I might write a story about it

04-05-09, 05:11 PM	#7
abclkhan Loader Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 87 Downloads: 169 Uploads: 0	irish sea, 1941. U-122 IXB GWX3 Torpedoed a large merchant for 10000ton Tried to shoot at a second target and was spotted Dove to the botton end headed north, but unfortunately water got each time shallower until I catch myself at 40m depth and 3DDs above. Took several DC (those times when the escort comes from bearing 180 leaving few time to maneuver) and crashed the floor for 3 times, ugh then I decided to go south-east and evaded the escorts successfully. This was at depth of 70m. Then I decided to go deeper and lost the boat at 80m i think, by pressure. As I saw later, hull integrity was at 20% before the accident. inatttentiveness... and good AI opponent.