Class 212 and 214 Boats

[Mocbo]

Who have mor Information about these....

In the Net all Information is rare.
The 212 is another Boat as the 214 .
Look at the Dive planes ..!! an where they are and then at the Stern Rudders .... Then the Structure is longer.

I have seen a Video from the 212 Boat. All is Digital on this Boat.
Many Touch Screens an Displays.. like the Seawolf. Shown as in a modern Awacs Jet ...

http://www.marine.de/02DB07000000000...9304INFODE.asx

Greetings

Moc

[Pigfish]

Nice vidio. heres another: http://www.exn.ca/dailyplanet/view.asp?date=1/4/2006

Heres another link from the builder but this link used used to be better:
http://www.hdw.de/index_en.php?level...1113&unter=244

Always a good source:
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/

Some nice Italian pics here:
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread...=222007&page=5

etc etc. There are lots of good links and info about the 212A/14 out there. Shes not so secret anymore.

[Kapitan]

nice

[Smaragdadler]

We had a thread some time ago:

http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopi...=44340&start=0

[Mocbo]

Thanks for the Info

But all talks from the 212 What is with the 214 ??
If there are exiting mor Infos... ??
I know only that its have the Fuel Cell Plant but what is with the Speed, dive depth ,Weapons an the Sensors
Ive heared about a kind of Supercavitation Torpedo to counter incoming Torpedos. Or there wasmean the TAU 2000 multi counter measure System trhen can be used as vehicle to engage incoming torpedos?.
Then the new Missiles.
What for Steel is used for the Boat.....

What for Sensors have these boat. I have seen no Place for a Sonar Dome like in a 688 or similar sonars.

Greetings

Moc

[DangerousDaze]

Info on the 212/214.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/type_212/

[Smaragdadler]

U 214 - HN Class - PAPANIKOLIS S-120

more pics:
http://users.otenet.gr/~kostast/foto_214.htm
http://www.pbase.com/vikingspirit/image/51973783

[XabbaRus]

I have a model of that sitting on my HDD.

[Skybird]

214 originally was the 212 - planned to be built in license in Greece, with a slightly longer hull, if I remember correctly. Later, "214" also meant technical improvements which not only make the location of manufacturing a different one, but also the boat itself (slightly).

The 212 and 214 are also sold to Israel, Korea, and more interested customers are waiting on the list.

Sexy looking little cutie.

[Kapitan]

if i had to choose between akula and that then the akula stands no chance

[Sea Demon]

This is remarkable. German engineering and ingenuity is rather impressive.

[Smaragdadler]

Originally Posted by Mocbo

[...]
The 212 is another Boat as the 214 .
Look at the Dive planes ..!! an where they are[...]

Type U212A

Type U214

So, the Dive Planes are not on the sail but on the hull. I have read that when they are on the sail, they are more effective on slow speeds, which means 212-A would have better manouverability. Bad point about planes on sail is - that they can brake off if you try to surface through ice. This means 214 is good for under ice-ops and 212A not?

[OKO]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

This is remarkable. German engineering and ingenuity is rather impressive.

Well ... german invented the modern sub concept.
That's because WWII winners took each one (russians, USA, british and french) some type XXI after the war they could start brand new submarine platforms from this date (and all of them started to built nuke submarines based on german technology)
Fortunatly (for democracy), the WWII ended before type XXI could really enter the war ...

But if you are impressed by actual German engineering, you should be also by French technology in conventionnal subs.
The counterpart of the 214 is the Scorpène, as modern as the 214 with only 31 crew members because of automatisation.
This submarine is state of the art of new SSK technology.

=>
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/scorpene/
http://www.dcn.fr/us/offre/sous-marins/scorpene.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...e/scorpene.htm

some pics =>
http://zone.sousmarins.free.fr/sous-...monde%2021.htm

[Mocbo]

These Boats more dangerous as a Kilo i think and the perfect Defanders of the Baltic an North Sea.
Some Nuclear Subs have to Respect for this very quiet small Boats.
In some reasons i think these Boats designed for more than North or Baltic Sea ops.....

Greetings Moc.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by OKO

Well ... german invented the modern sub concept.
That's because WWII winners took each one (russians, USA, british and french) some type XXI after the war they could start brand new submarine platforms from this date (and all of them started to built nuke submarines based on german technology)
Fortunatly (for democracy), the WWII ended before type XXI could really enter the war ...

Ummm no the Germans didn't, the Americans did. John Phillip Holland's 'Holland'-class design was much like the basic design of the XXI. It was designed to operate submerged, dive at an angle and operate with a streamlined hull. The Americans were also responsible for the loss of this design for the most part, Simon Lake's design philosophy of high surface performance at the expense of submerged performance, diving on an even keel, and deck armaments became the US standard till the GUPPY class subs of the 1950’s. The German’s didn’t invent anything new in desperation they just took ideas everyone else and forgotten or ignored and built a better design in terms of submerged performance, in terms of weapons, sensors, and tactics the US was ahead by a quite a bit.