Going to NY in a VIIc?!

LiveGoat · 01-21-09, 01:45 AM

I just got ordered to patrol CA29 off New York out of Lorient. Am I stupid for doing this? I'm worried about fuel supply. I'd really like to try, even if I have to turnback after taking a screenie. The big question is can it be done? Did anyone here do it? I see on my map that a supply boat, U-461 is almost midway. Do I top off there or wait till I return? I'm just out of Biscay, so there's time to just abort and head to the BE-BF grids.

Weiss Pinguin · 01-21-09, 01:48 AM

You can probably make it going ahead slow/one third. Definitely want to top off at a supply boat, probably both going in and coming out just to make sure.

That said, I have never operated off the American coast, so I can't offer any personal experience. Also seems kind of strange that the game would assign your Type VII[c] a grid in that area. :hmm:

A Very Super Market · 01-21-09, 01:48 AM

VIIc is completely possible. Just go ahead slow for the whole voyage or stop by the U-tanker both ways.

sonicninja · 01-21-09, 06:55 AM

I had this patrol grid previously and en route across the Atlantic a supply boat was made avaialble, check your supply boats for time and date, you may find there will be one close by.

Chisum · 01-21-09, 07:03 AM

1 knt underwater and 2 kts surfaced.

StarLion45 · 01-21-09, 07:47 AM

Don't let those waves takes you

Captain Nemo · 01-21-09, 09:59 AM

I think 8 knots will give you the best range in a VIIc and will probably get you there and back without refuelling (subject to weather conditions), including spending some time on actual patrol. I believe Doenitz himself was surprised that a type VII boat could undertake patrols on the US eastern seaboard without the need to refuel. However, the crew did make some sacrifices in that every space was crammed with supplies and even tanks normally used to store fresh water were used to hold fuel oil.

Nemo

Klaus_Doldinger · 01-21-09, 10:03 AM

It can be done. In my experience, 8 knots is the optimal speed/range ratio for a VIIC, although, of course, bad weather will slow you as you burn the same tons of fuel. But you have also a milk cow waiting for you, so keeping 8 Knots you should have a reasonable amount of time to create problems there

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AFAIK, one of the reasons for the construction of milk cows was to increase the range of the Type VII boats. In fact, Dönitz writes about VIIC uboats sent to the USA eastern coast after operation Drumbeat.

Good hunting.

01-21-09, 05:51 PM

"Ali" Cremer took U333 from La Palice to the Florida coast on his second patrol - Apparently they filled some of the drinking and washing water tanks with diesel, (After talking it over with the crew), crammed the boat full of food etc and carefully calculating course and speed.He also had use of a "milchcow" as well.

LiveGoat · 01-22-09, 12:54 AM

Well, I chickened out. I gave myself my very own BdU message: "U-203, divertnum unt course to der souss unt Irelund."

Not because of fuel reasons but because it's already June of '42. I think the drumbeat's pretty much done by now. That's what I get for transferring to Biscay so late. Oh well, next career I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the advice, though.

hito · 01-22-09, 08:11 AM

I have yet to see a supply boat on my games, are they available only with mods? (I'm playing vanilla/stock SHIII)

Klaus_Doldinger · 01-22-09, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by hito

I have yet to see a supply boat on my games, are they available only with mods? (I'm playing vanilla/stock SHIII)

Exactly. Milk cows don´t exist in the stock game.

Weiss Pinguin · 01-22-09, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hito

I have yet to see a supply boat on my games, are they available only with mods? (I'm playing vanilla/stock SHIII)

Every supermod (GWX/WAC/NYGM) has them. You can also find mods that specifically add milkcows.

01-21-09, 01:45 AM	#1
LiveGoat XO Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 408 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 0	Going to NY in a VIIc?! I just got ordered to patrol CA29 off New York out of Lorient. Am I stupid for doing this? I'm worried about fuel supply. I'd really like to try, even if I have to turnback after taking a screenie. The big question is can it be done? Did anyone here do it? I see on my map that a supply boat, U-461 is almost midway. Do I top off there or wait till I return? I'm just out of Biscay, so there's time to just abort and head to the BE-BF grids.

01-21-09, 01:48 AM	#2
Weiss Pinguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Auburn, Alabama Posts: 3,333 Downloads: 101 Uploads: 0	You can probably make it going ahead slow/one third. Definitely want to top off at a supply boat, probably both going in and coming out just to make sure. That said, I have never operated off the American coast, so I can't offer any personal experience. Also seems kind of strange that the game would assign your Type VII[c] a grid in that area. :hmm: __________________

01-21-09, 01:48 AM	#3
A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	VIIc is completely possible. Just go ahead slow for the whole voyage or stop by the U-tanker both ways. __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!

01-21-09, 07:03 AM	#5
Chisum Seasoned Skipper Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bastogne, Belgium Posts: 716 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	1 knt underwater and 2 kts surfaced. __________________ [http://simus-paradise.forumactif.com/silent-hunter-iii-f12/

01-21-09, 07:47 AM	#6
StarLion45 Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Stavanger,Norway Posts: 895 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	To NY Don't let those waves takes you __________________ GWX 3.0 . GOLD . SH3 CMDR 3.2 JSGME

01-21-09, 06:55 AM	#4
sonicninja Watch Officer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Periscope Depth Posts: 341 Downloads: 937 Uploads: 0	I had this patrol grid previously and en route across the Atlantic a supply boat was made avaialble, check your supply boats for time and date, you may find there will be one close by.

01-21-09, 09:59 AM	#7
Captain Nemo Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: London, England Posts: 1,144 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	I think 8 knots will give you the best range in a VIIc and will probably get you there and back without refuelling (subject to weather conditions), including spending some time on actual patrol. I believe Doenitz himself was surprised that a type VII boat could undertake patrols on the US eastern seaboard without the need to refuel. However, the crew did make some sacrifices in that every space was crammed with supplies and even tanks normally used to store fresh water were used to hold fuel oil. Nemo __________________ "I'm afraid there is no disguising the fact that King's obsession with the Pacific and the Battle of Washington cost us dear in the Battle of the Atlantic". Sir John Slessor GCB, DSO, MC, DL AOC-in-C Coastal Command RAF ___________________________________________

01-21-09, 10:03 AM	#8
Klaus_Doldinger Planesman Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Madrid, España Posts: 198 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	It can be done. In my experience, 8 knots is the optimal speed/range ratio for a VIIC, although, of course, bad weather will slow you as you burn the same tons of fuel. But you have also a milk cow waiting for you, so keeping 8 Knots you should have a reasonable amount of time to create problems there . AFAIK, one of the reasons for the construction of milk cows was to increase the range of the Type VII boats. In fact, Dönitz writes about VIIC uboats sent to the USA eastern coast after operation Drumbeat. Good hunting. __________________ OL zS. Siegfried Rollmann, U 108 in WaW IV, 6th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (111.829 BRT) Lt zS Klaus Doldinger (U 36), 4th war patrol with GWX 3.0 Gold (50.713 BRT) SH3 Cmdr 3.1 GWX 3.0 GWX 16 Km atmosphere GWX no medals on crew GWX open hatch GWX Saint Nazaire, Schleuse and units OLC GUI 1.2.7 Thomsen´s sound Torpedo damage final Rubini´s lifeboats and debris D.i.D.

01-21-09, 05:51 PM	#9
darius359au Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	"Ali" Cremer took U333 from La Palice to the Florida coast on his second patrol - Apparently they filled some of the drinking and washing water tanks with diesel, (After talking it over with the crew), crammed the boat full of food etc and carefully calculating course and speed.He also had use of a "milchcow" as well.

01-22-09, 12:54 AM	#10
LiveGoat XO Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 408 Downloads: 439 Uploads: 0	Well, I chickened out. I gave myself my very own BdU message: "U-203, divertnum unt course to der souss unt Irelund." Not because of fuel reasons but because it's already June of '42. I think the drumbeat's pretty much done by now. That's what I get for transferring to Biscay so late. Oh well, next career I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the advice, though.

01-22-09, 08:11 AM	#11
hito Swabbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 13 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I have yet to see a supply boat on my games, are they available only with mods? (I'm playing vanilla/stock SHIII)