Whale Wars

Enigma · 01-07-09, 11:20 PM

Anyone familiar with the Discovery channel show of the same name may be interested in this article...

I don't like the idea of legal whaling. I'd prefer it were completely outlawed. However, having watched this show, I didn't come away with any feeling of sympathy or support for the radicals on board the "Irwin". They sail at high speed in dangerous proximity to the whaling boats, putting her crew at danger who, after all, are just sailors at work. ...pelting the deck with stink bombs and flour bombs, etc, <---WARNING** SERIES FINALE SPOILER!

i won't ruin the finale in case any of you saw are waiting to see it, (it's the video above, in part...) but for those who have seen it, the climax was clearly staged in my opinion. A fake. A Freud.

Falkirion · 01-07-09, 11:44 PM

Yeah they were probably thinking that people will take their point of view throughout the whole thing. Good on the Japanese for fighting back.

I've seen the Irwin in person too, she'd be a tough target at night to track if she was running dark.

Thomen · 01-07-09, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Enigma

Anyone familiar with the Discovery channel show of the same name may be interested in this article...

I don't like the idea of legal whaling. I'd prefer it were completely outlawed. However, having watched this show, I didn't come away with any feeling of sympathy or support for the radicals on board the "Irwin". They sail at high speed in dangerous proximity to the whaling boats, putting her crew at danger who, after all, are just sailors at work. ...pelting the deck with stink bombs and flour bombs, etc, <---WARNING** SERIES FINALE SPOILER!

i won't ruin the finale in case any of you saw are waiting to see it, (it's the video above, in part...) but for those who have seen it, the climax was clearly staged in my opinion. A fake. A Freud.

While it looked interesting in the trailers, I havent watched it yet, and probably wont watch it.

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I don't like the idea of legal whaling

Same here. I'd say sink both side of the dispute..

Aramike · 01-07-09, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Falkirion

Yeah they were probably thinking that people will take their point of view throughout the whole thing. Good on the Japanese for fighting back.

I've seen the Irwin in person too, she'd be a tough target at night to track if she was running dark.

Yeah, although whaling sucks that doesn't excuse the behavior of these idiots.

Zachstar · 01-08-09, 01:50 AM

Just want to say their radar sucks. Seems a WW2 sub could do better than these idiots.

And yes I say idiots because it is people like them that have turned whaling into a nationalism thing.

However, This business of accepting being terrorized on the high seas is likely to come to an end soon. Either the Japanese military has stashed a commando force on one of the whale boats or they are preparing to lob a weapon at it. In my opinion.

Why else do you think Japan is acting so weirdly? No reports of flash grenades or more fantasy assassination attempts.

My guess is the crew of the hostile ship will either be captured and taken back to Japan for trial and the Irwin scuttled. Or they are waiting for the right moment to blow them out of the water.

And what will happen? They will die or rot in jail but so will whaling. The fleet goes out in defiance because it is costing several times more to go out than they get from supposed profits selling the whale meat. When it goes back to just Greenpeace taking pictures I suspect they will just shut down.

nikimcbee · 01-08-09, 01:56 AM

Where's the IJN? These guys are flying a pirate flag, I'd sink them on sight. what's discovery channel going to do next; a show on eco-terrorists spiking trees or blowing up SUVs?

I'm not really a fan of whaling, but I hate this "in your face extreme enviromentalism." So, I'd invite the ecos over for a whale lunch.

Letum · 01-08-09, 02:44 AM

So long as there is a healthy whale population I am quite happy with hunting them.
I am happy to hunt any animal that has a healthy population. In fact, it is often
preferable to farming so far as animal welfare goes.

I have no idea how healthy whale populations are. Such a shame so many whale
species are no longer found in the Atlantic due to hunting. It's a shame there is no way
to reintroduce and repopulate the Atlantic with the species now only found in the Pacific.

So far as the anti-whaling groups go; I don't want to see anyone hurt, but aside from
that, what the hell is the IJN doing sitting on it's backside?! Go arrest, seize and sink.

Tchocky · 01-08-09, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Where's the IJN?

At the bottom of Truk lagoon sice c. 1945 :p

Blacklight · 01-08-09, 01:19 PM

I watched that show once. The activists came off as complete idiots and jerks rather than the sympathetic activists they are supposed to be. Agreed. They're a danger to the crews of the whaling ships as well as to themselves. There's other ways to go about this that are a LOT safer for all involved.

I hate whaling and wish they would outlaw it, but I totally think these ships have the right to defend themselves against these idiots. It's only a matter of time before they cause a serious accident.

Letum · 01-08-09, 09:42 PM

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I hate whaling[...]

Why?
Do you think it is different form deer hunting, cow farming, etc.?

A Very Super Market · 01-08-09, 10:07 PM

Does anyone remember the ALF? (No, not the alien) They managed to disrupt a million-dollar operation, destroy a lab, and ruin years of hard work all for their rampant sense of guilt.

Yeah, extreme enviromentalists are jerks. Whaling was not okay when they were all dying out, but since most whales are on an extreme rebound, it should be perfectly fine to harvest them.

baggygreen · 01-08-09, 11:10 PM

Most common reason I can find that people hate whaling is the method.

We dont have much (read: any) exposure to harp seal hunts, which are pretty gruesome, but the whales are simply too big to be killed by explosive-tipped harpoons. it injures them, but they tend to still be very much alive and kicking when they're dragged up into the ships' meatgrinders tailfirst. thats pretty rough.

Cattle, for instance, are at least knocked completely unconscious before having their throats cut. At the abbatoir an hours drive from here, one bloke thought it would be funny not to knock the cow out first. He copped it from the cow bigtime, and then got the sack as well. So it's an industry attempting to be as humane as possible, at least up the road here.

When hunting game, if your first shot doesnt kill it, you put it out of its misery before you begin carving it up. Doesn't happen often with the whales.

Why not, rather than tip harpoons with explosives, tip them with a concoction of deadly drugs? Similar to lethal injection?

SandyCaesar · 01-08-09, 11:45 PM

I consider myself a relative environmentalist, but those extremists are terrorists. Piracy on the high seas should still be punished; if they're doing it off Arabia, why not in the Pacific? Catch and jail!

(For everyone agitating for the IJN to come out, they're not going to do that, since they've been on the bottom for nigh on 60 years now. The JMSDF, now, that's a different story...

)

As for whale harvesting, I still don't think that whale populations are ready for full-time hunting; despite the fact that they're rebounding that would be too easily reversed. All the same, it doesn't excuse the behavior of idiots like the Irwin crew.

August · 01-08-09, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen

Why not, rather than tip harpoons with explosives, tip them with a concoction of deadly drugs? Similar to lethal injection?

It would have to be a pretty big dose given the animals size and it'd have to be something that doesn't poison the meat.

Zachstar · 01-09-09, 12:02 AM

I think terrorists is too harsh a term to use.

They are very much militant. But I think pirate is a better term.

The crew of the whaling ships know what will be against them so it is not terrorism. And to their credit. Sea Shepherd does not run and hide after their attacks. Or hide behind anything but their own egos.

I believe that by Maritime law. They can be fired on for attacking a vessel at sea. And by that token if they are engaged they cannot be charged with terrorism if they throw a rock at the incoming harpoon.

Terrorism is when and if they attack some random unarmed cargo carrier that has no idea it is carrying whale meat.

01-07-09, 11:20 PM	#1
Enigma The Old Man Join Date: May 2005 Location: At comms depth, obviously. Posts: 1,476 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Whale Wars Anyone familiar with the Discovery channel show of the same name may be interested in this article... I don't like the idea of legal whaling. I'd prefer it were completely outlawed. However, having watched this show, I didn't come away with any feeling of sympathy or support for the radicals on board the "Irwin". They sail at high speed in dangerous proximity to the whaling boats, putting her crew at danger who, after all, are just sailors at work. ...pelting the deck with stink bombs and flour bombs, etc, <---WARNING** SERIES FINALE SPOILER! i won't ruin the finale in case any of you saw are waiting to see it, (it's the video above, in part...) but for those who have seen it, the climax was clearly staged in my opinion. A fake. A Freud. __________________ "Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

01-08-09, 01:50 AM	#5
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Just want to say their radar sucks. Seems a WW2 sub could do better than these idiots. And yes I say idiots because it is people like them that have turned whaling into a nationalism thing. However, This business of accepting being terrorized on the high seas is likely to come to an end soon. Either the Japanese military has stashed a commando force on one of the whale boats or they are preparing to lob a weapon at it. In my opinion. Why else do you think Japan is acting so weirdly? No reports of flash grenades or more fantasy assassination attempts. My guess is the crew of the hostile ship will either be captured and taken back to Japan for trial and the Irwin scuttled. Or they are waiting for the right moment to blow them out of the water. And what will happen? They will die or rot in jail but so will whaling. The fleet goes out in defiance because it is costing several times more to go out than they get from supposed profits selling the whale meat. When it goes back to just Greenpeace taking pictures I suspect they will just shut down. __________________

01-08-09, 01:56 AM	#6
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Where's the IJN? These guys are flying a pirate flag, I'd sink them on sight. what's discovery channel going to do next; a show on eco-terrorists spiking trees or blowing up SUVs? I'm not really a fan of whaling, but I hate this "in your face extreme enviromentalism." So, I'd invite the ecos over for a whale lunch. __________________

01-08-09, 02:44 AM	#7
Letum Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: York - UK Posts: 6,079 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	So long as there is a healthy whale population I am quite happy with hunting them. I am happy to hunt any animal that has a healthy population. In fact, it is often preferable to farming so far as animal welfare goes. I have no idea how healthy whale populations are. Such a shame so many whale species are no longer found in the Atlantic due to hunting. It's a shame there is no way to reintroduce and repopulate the Atlantic with the species now only found in the Pacific. So far as the anti-whaling groups go; I don't want to see anyone hurt, but aside from that, what the hell is the IJN doing sitting on it's backside?! Go arrest, seize and sink. __________________

01-08-09, 01:19 PM	#9
Blacklight Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,507 Downloads: 145 Uploads: 0	I watched that show once. The activists came off as complete idiots and jerks rather than the sympathetic activists they are supposed to be. Agreed. They're a danger to the crews of the whaling ships as well as to themselves. There's other ways to go about this that are a LOT safer for all involved. I hate whaling and wish they would outlaw it, but I totally think these ships have the right to defend themselves against these idiots. It's only a matter of time before they cause a serious accident. __________________ Be my friend or be a mushroom cloud. "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes !"

01-07-09, 11:44 PM	#2
Falkirion Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne, AUS Posts: 1,043 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Yeah they were probably thinking that people will take their point of view throughout the whole thing. Good on the Japanese for fighting back. I've seen the Irwin in person too, she'd be a tough target at night to track if she was running dark.

01-08-09, 10:07 PM	#11
A Very Super Market The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Deep in the Wild Canadian suburbs. Posts: 1,468 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Does anyone remember the ALF? (No, not the alien) They managed to disrupt a million-dollar operation, destroy a lab, and ruin years of hard work all for their rampant sense of guilt. Yeah, extreme enviromentalists are jerks. Whaling was not okay when they were all dying out, but since most whales are on an extreme rebound, it should be perfectly fine to harvest them. __________________ The entire German garrison of Vanviken, right here in your thread!

01-08-09, 11:10 PM	#12
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Most common reason I can find that people hate whaling is the method. We dont have much (read: any) exposure to harp seal hunts, which are pretty gruesome, but the whales are simply too big to be killed by explosive-tipped harpoons. it injures them, but they tend to still be very much alive and kicking when they're dragged up into the ships' meatgrinders tailfirst. thats pretty rough. Cattle, for instance, are at least knocked completely unconscious before having their throats cut. At the abbatoir an hours drive from here, one bloke thought it would be funny not to knock the cow out first. He copped it from the cow bigtime, and then got the sack as well. So it's an industry attempting to be as humane as possible, at least up the road here. When hunting game, if your first shot doesnt kill it, you put it out of its misery before you begin carving it up. Doesn't happen often with the whales. Why not, rather than tip harpoons with explosives, tip them with a concoction of deadly drugs? Similar to lethal injection?

01-08-09, 11:45 PM	#13
SandyCaesar Chief Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: HMS Thanatus Posts: 325 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I consider myself a relative environmentalist, but those extremists are terrorists. Piracy on the high seas should still be punished; if they're doing it off Arabia, why not in the Pacific? Catch and jail! (For everyone agitating for the IJN to come out, they're not going to do that, since they've been on the bottom for nigh on 60 years now. The JMSDF, now, that's a different story...) As for whale harvesting, I still don't think that whale populations are ready for full-time hunting; despite the fact that they're rebounding that would be too easily reversed. All the same, it doesn't excuse the behavior of idiots like the Irwin crew. __________________ Vanvikan, Feb. 2009: ordinary human, KIA, night 4 HMS Thanatus, May 2009: ??? human, KIA, night 7

01-09-09, 12:02 AM	#15
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I think terrorists is too harsh a term to use. They are very much militant. But I think pirate is a better term. The crew of the whaling ships know what will be against them so it is not terrorism. And to their credit. Sea Shepherd does not run and hide after their attacks. Or hide behind anything but their own egos. I believe that by Maritime law. They can be fired on for attacking a vessel at sea. And by that token if they are engaged they cannot be charged with terrorism if they throw a rock at the incoming harpoon. Terrorism is when and if they attack some random unarmed cargo carrier that has no idea it is carrying whale meat. __________________