Fallout for the Royan navy over Iran - RN incident

bookworm_020 · 12-08-08, 08:52 PM

Well at least they should be greatful that they don't do capitial punishment anymore!

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-31477,00.html

Well Australia was lucky not to have ended up the same way!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1854274/posts

Cohaagen · 12-09-08, 12:21 AM

Of course, the real lesson we all learned - from blogs and anonymous comments, anyway - was that should a similar situation befall the US they would respond by going all out and fighting to the last bullet...and when that was fired, they'd used bayonets, and when those broke, they'd use sharps sticks, and when those snapped, they'd use stones, etc etc. Just don't mention Sgt Maples crying in front of millions as he thanked Khomenei for his hospitality during the US embassy takeover. Or Army Sgt Joe Subic, who collaborated by identifying "CIA agents" among embassy staff. The tub-thumping flagwavers seem to have erased these incidents from the popular record, but they did happen. We don't even need to get into the aborted rescue - hardly Operation Barras or the SAS storming the Iranian embassy in London.

PS - I think the Australian Navy has dined out on their encounter with the Iranians for long enough. It'd have been better if they'd just kept that cheap shot to themselves, actually.

subchaser12 · 12-09-08, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Cohaagen

Just don't mention Sgt Maples crying in front of millions as he thanked Khomenei for his hospitality during the US embassy takeover. Or Army Sgt Joe Subic, who collaborated by identifying "CIA agents" among embassy staff. The tub-thumping flagwavers seem to have erased these incidents from the popular record, but they did happen. We don't even need to get into the aborted rescue - hardly Operation Barras or the SAS storming the Iranian embassy in London.

PS - I think the Australian Navy has dined out on their encounter with the Iranians for long enough. It'd have been better if they'd just kept that cheap shot to themselves, actually.

Please remember that 99% of any military is made up of people who could not afford a better lifestyle. Sure they will beat their chest and talk about the stars and stripes but who wants to admit "hell this was the only ticket out of my trailer park".

Don't give these kids any grief because the only thing separating them from their uniform and their job at McDonalds they had before "defending freedom" is a few measly weeks of basic training. Big deal.

Seriously though special ops people are told just to keep their mouth shut for 3 hours so the rest of the team can evac. These kids never got any training on what to do if captured. Are we supposed to hope they "saw that movie" and know they are supposed to never talk and spit in the face of their abuser.

Cohaagen · 12-09-08, 02:48 AM

I don't hold the Marines from the US embassy incident to any set of idealised standards, and I'm certainly not criticising them. Just making sure we keep it in mind before comments from over the Atlantic similar to those following the FreeRepublic article (and many more) start to appear. My lasting impression of the RN affair was how much US super-patriots enjoyed gloating over it with an inflated sense of superiority.

baggygreen · 12-09-08, 03:48 AM

My take on it, without any flagwaving, is that the world was lucky to get away with it without there being a series of escalations into conflict.

If the Iranians tried it on again, I'd take a guess at the price of oil hitting new highs, global recession or not!

diver · 12-09-08, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by baggygreen

My take on it, without any flagwaving, is that the world was lucky to get away with it without there being a series of escalations into conflict.

If the Iranians tried it on again, I'd take a guess at the price of oil hitting new highs, global recession or not!

Do you really think these are isolated incidents?

Jimbuna · 12-10-08, 07:36 AM

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If the Iranians tried it on again, I'd take a guess at the price of oil hitting new highs, global recession or not!

I certainly hope so.

August · 12-10-08, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by subchaser12

Please remember that 99% of any military is made up of people who...

Seriously though special ops people are told...

Just where do you get your information?

Morts · 12-10-08, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by subchaser12

Please remember that 99% of any military is made up of people who...

Seriously though special ops people are told...

Just where do you get your information?

i'd like to know that too

MothBalls · 12-10-08, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Morts

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Originally Posted by August

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Originally Posted by subchaser12

Please remember that 99% of any military is made up of people who...

Seriously though special ops people are told...

Just where do you get your information?

i'd like to know that too

Must of pulled it out of his ass. That's where his brain is.

August · 12-10-08, 01:52 PM

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Personnal experience I guess.

Well I have served in not only the military but SpecOps as well and that hasn't been my experience. Some sure but 99% or even a majority? No.

Ramius · 12-13-08, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by subchaser12

....Please remember that 99% of any military is made up of people who could not afford a better lifestyle. Sure they will beat their chest and talk about the stars and stripes but who wants to admit "hell this was the only ticket out of my trailer park".

Don't give these kids any grief because the only thing separating them from their uniform and their job at McDonalds they had before "defending freedom" is a few measly weeks of basic training. Big deal...

You cheaky f*&^ing b#$%&"d !!!

I'd love to meet you in person and let you say that comment

p.s. Sorry everyone else. Some things just instantly make submariners flash

subchaser12 · 12-13-08, 06:00 PM

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You cheaky f*&^ing b#$%&"d !!!

I'd love to meet you in person and let you say that comment

Next time you are in America let me know and we can meet. I'm 72 inches tall 244 pounds and I bench in the neighborhood of the mid 300 range.

P.S. Bring lunch.

Morts · 12-13-08, 06:24 PM

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I'm 72 inches tall 244 pounds and I bench in the neighborhood of the mid 300 range.

P.S. Bring lunch.

soo..what you're saying is that you're not really a big and scary guy ?:rotfl:
180 cm, 122 kg

bradclark1 · 12-13-08, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by subchaser12

Next time you are in America let me know and we can meet. I'm 72 inches tall 244 pounds and I bench in the neighborhood of the mid 300 range.

P.S. Bring lunch.

At 244 pounds maybe you should skip lunch. Not anti anti-military, just noticing.

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12-09-08, 12:21 AM	#2
Cohaagen Frogman Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 296 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Of course, the real lesson we all learned - from blogs and anonymous comments, anyway - was that should a similar situation befall the US they would respond by going all out and fighting to the last bullet...and when that was fired, they'd used bayonets, and when those broke, they'd use sharps sticks, and when those snapped, they'd use stones, etc etc. Just don't mention Sgt Maples crying in front of millions as he thanked Khomenei for his hospitality during the US embassy takeover. Or Army Sgt Joe Subic, who collaborated by identifying "CIA agents" among embassy staff. The tub-thumping flagwavers seem to have erased these incidents from the popular record, but they did happen. We don't even need to get into the aborted rescue - hardly Operation Barras or the SAS storming the Iranian embassy in London. PS - I think the Australian Navy has dined out on their encounter with the Iranians for long enough. It'd have been better if they'd just kept that cheap shot to themselves, actually.

12-09-08, 02:48 AM	#4
Cohaagen Frogman Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 296 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	I don't hold the Marines from the US embassy incident to any set of idealised standards, and I'm certainly not criticising them. Just making sure we keep it in mind before comments from over the Atlantic similar to those following the FreeRepublic article (and many more) start to appear. My lasting impression of the RN affair was how much US super-patriots enjoyed gloating over it with an inflated sense of superiority.

12-09-08, 03:48 AM	#5
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	My take on it, without any flagwaving, is that the world was lucky to get away with it without there being a series of escalations into conflict. If the Iranians tried it on again, I'd take a guess at the price of oil hitting new highs, global recession or not!