What is the republican party's next move?

subchaser12 · 11-12-08, 11:12 AM

This isn't to start a fight, no republican bashing for the sake of it please. I know there are mostly level headed republicans here and I have to ask "what now". The way I see it there are much deeper issues than McCain just sucking. It looks to me that the right wing social issues are really losing traction around the country in big enough numbers to matter. Will they go back to fiscal conservative roots? I know there won't be anything for awhile as the republican will be licking their wounds for a bit. I'm not sure being the anti-Obama party is safe with his popularity nationwide. I'm stumped. Thoughts and opinions?

SteamWake · 11-12-08, 11:16 AM

Well basically conservative Republicans will just have to sit in the corner and wimper for the next 4 years.

The 'liberal' take over of house and senate as well as commander in chief is complete.

Onkel Neal · 11-12-08, 11:23 AM

Republicans need to stop acting like Democrats, get back to conservative basics. The McCaim campaign was the most poorly run since Dole.

subchaser12 · 11-12-08, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Republicans need to stop acting like Democrats, get back to conservative basics. The McCaim campaign was the most poorly run since Dole.

The only republican I saw recently was Ron Paul. It was strange how the republicans currently in power acted like he was a leper. Why did the right work so tirelessly to defeat Ron Paul? He had just as much enthusiasm on the right as Obama on the left, they didn't want that though. Strange.

Konovalov · 11-12-08, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Republicans need to stop acting like Democrats, get back to conservative basics. The McCaim campaign was the most poorly run since Dole.

Yep, that sums it up perfectly. Stop spending and return to fiscal conservative values.

11-12-08, 11:51 AM

Oh it's over for them, no more racism for them to take advantage of.

August · 11-12-08, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Oh it's over for them, no more racism for them to take advantage of.

Go away troll...

MothBalls · 11-12-08, 12:41 PM

My $0.02 (I'm going to make some generalizations, so just kill me now)

When I watched the election coverage on CNN, they had multiple live feeds and you could switch between the dem and rep receptions.

The GOP side was an indoor stuffy event. They were playing Dixieland and people singing Tony Orlando and Barry Manilow songs. It looked like a [mostly white] senior citizens convention. I didn't see many people under 40 in the crowd. Whatever happened to the young republicans?

Of course we all saw the rally in the park, huge crowd. Did you notice who was in the crowd? Young people, ethnic people, more representative of a cross section of America.

I think the media has been working hard to make it seem like the current state of the nation is because of "the ruling class" republicans have exploited all they can from the "oppressed".

I personally don't blame the republicans for the current state of things, I don't believe the press. It's a combination of things like corporate greed, derivatives, fractional reserve system, etc. There was some articles pointing out the current administration did warn of troubles looming, nobody wanted to listen and the media didn't want to sell it.

The republicans need to get up to speed. I think they are out of touch with the [new] majority of the voters. I think the voters are tired of rich senile old white guys running the country.

And, as said before, it wouldn't matter who ran for the republicans in this election. They were on the way out before the first primary started. I think it a miracle that McCain actually lead in the polls at any time.

I still wonder if the republicans really didn't want this election and asked McCain to step up and take one on the chin for the good of the country. He's the kind of guy who would do that, who would make that kind of sacrifice. Then when he started winning, they needed to make sure he didn't so they picked whatshername.

Blacklight · 11-12-08, 01:17 PM

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I still wonder if the republicans really didn't want this election and asked McCain to step up and take one on the chin for the good of the country.

I get this feeling too. They didn't put much of anything into their campaign and made their platforms as vague as possible. I can't help but think that it was a bit of a strategy to "throw the election" and let the Democrats into power while we're in the middle of major financial crisis and in a quagmire in the middle east thereby hopeing to make the democrats look bad and trying to ensure the win in four years because by then.. with their spin doctoring, they'll make themselves look sqeaky clean while the democrats are still struggling with the messes that eight years of George W. left behind.

SteamWake · 11-12-08, 01:21 PM

Hey he said quagmire... heh

AVGWarhawk · 11-12-08, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MothBalls

My $0.02 (I'm going to make some generalizations, so just kill me now)

When I watched the election coverage on CNN, they had multiple live feeds and you could switch between the dem and rep receptions.

The GOP side was an indoor stuffy event. They were playing Dixieland and people singing Tony Orlando and Barry Manilow songs. It looked like a [mostly white] senior citizens convention. I didn't see many people under 40 in the crowd. Whatever happened to the young republicans?

Of course we all saw the rally in the park, huge crowd. Did you notice who was in the crowd? Young people, ethnic people, more representative of a cross section of America.

I think the media has been working hard to make it seem like the current state of the nation is because of "the ruling class" republicans have exploited all they can from the "oppressed".

I personally don't blame the republicans for the current state of things, I don't believe the press. It's a combination of things like corporate greed, derivatives, fractional reserve system, etc. There was some articles pointing out the current administration did warn of troubles looming, nobody wanted to listen and the media didn't want to sell it.

The republicans need to get up to speed. I think they are out of touch with the [new] majority of the voters. I think the voters are tired of rich senile old white guys running the country.

And, as said before, it wouldn't matter who ran for the republicans in this election. They were on the way out before the first primary started. I think it a miracle that McCain actually lead in the polls at any time.

I still wonder if the republicans really didn't want this election and asked McCain to step up and take one on the chin for the good of the country. He's the kind of guy who would do that, who would make that kind of sacrifice. Then when he started winning, they needed to make sure he didn't so they picked whatshername.

It was the rich senile old guys who fought the wars so we can express ourselves right here on the forums. But, somehow that is lost in the "cross-section of America" who are intouch...with what exactly I'm not sure.....

I do not think the election was thrown but the support of fellow Republican lacked big time.

Skybird · 11-12-08, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Republicans need to stop acting like Democrats, get back to conservative basics.

Sure. The people voted for Obama, and the very clear majority of first voters and young voters voted for him - because the Republicans are not conservative enough. Logical!

the simple truth is that the young ones and many people who over the past years moved into the Us or moved inside the US into historical Republöican strongholds, were not republican, and were not interested in conservatism. By ethnic and demographic chnages and age structures and ethnic migration patterns I cannot see that trend ending. So, republicans need to reinvent a new form of wjhat it means to be Republican. The old formulas are more and more unlikely to work in attracting voters.

And I remember that you and me had a discussion on that some years ago, where I already predicted that!

AVGWarhawk · 11-12-08, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Republicans need to stop acting like Democrats, get back to conservative basics.

Sure. The people voted for Obama, and the very clear majority of first voters and young voters voted for him - because the Republicans are not conservative enough. Logical!

the simple truth is that the young ones and many people who over the past years moved into the Us or moved inside the US into historical Republöican strongholds, were not republican, and were not interested in conservatism. By ethnic and demographic chnages and age structures and ethnic migration patterns I cannot see that trend ending. So, republicans need to reinvent a new form of wjhat it means to be Republican. The old formulas are more and more unlikely to work in attracting voters.

And I remember that you and me had a discussion on that some years ago, where I already predicted that!

Do you ever break your arm patting yourself on your back? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

SteamWake · 11-12-08, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Sure. The people voted for Obama, and the very clear majority of first voters and young voters {and multiple voters} voted for him - because the Republicans are not conservative enough. Logical!

the simple truth is that the young ones and many people who over the past years moved into the Us or moved inside the US into historical Republöican strongholds, were not republican, and were not interested in conservatism. By ethnic and demographic chnages and age structures and ethnic migration patterns I cannot see that trend ending. So, republicans need to reinvent a new form of wjhat it means to be Republican. The old formulas are more and more unlikely to work in attracting voters.

And I remember that you and me had a discussion on that some years ago, where I already predicted that!

Fixed for you...

Actually it does make sense, alot of conservative republicans did not like McCain and felt in some ways the best thing would be for him to lose, not to mention votes that went to third party / write in candidates.

The election was not the 'landslide' as painted in the popular media. Yes he took the majoirty of electoral votes but thats another topic. In the popular vote it was actually pretty close.

Zachstar · 11-12-08, 03:12 PM

The next move needs to be to Ron Paul.

Right now the urge is to throw Jindal or Sarah into the fire for 2012. Yet all indications are 2012 will be just as difficult for a pub to win as 2008.

If the republicans want to win they have one chance. Technology. They must embrace new advancements and sever all times to the oil and fossil fuels of the past. McCain gained lots of ground with this approach before the repubs shut him up and made him talk about RW crap and "Drill baby Drill!"

Otherwise all you have to say is oil party again in 2012 and the defeats will pour in.

11-12-08, 11:12 AM	#1
subchaser12 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spam, duplicate accounts, provoking moderators. Posts: 377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What is the republican party's next move? This isn't to start a fight, no republican bashing for the sake of it please. I know there are mostly level headed republicans here and I have to ask "what now". The way I see it there are much deeper issues than McCain just sucking. It looks to me that the right wing social issues are really losing traction around the country in big enough numbers to matter. Will they go back to fiscal conservative roots? I know there won't be anything for awhile as the republican will be licking their wounds for a bit. I'm not sure being the anti-Obama party is safe with his popularity nationwide. I'm stumped. Thoughts and opinions? Last edited by subchaser12; 11-12-08 at 11:13 AM.

11-12-08, 11:23 AM	#3
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,383 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Republicans need to stop acting like Democrats, get back to conservative basics. The McCaim campaign was the most poorly run since Dole. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

11-12-08, 12:41 PM	#8
MothBalls Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,012 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	My $0.02 (I'm going to make some generalizations, so just kill me now) When I watched the election coverage on CNN, they had multiple live feeds and you could switch between the dem and rep receptions. The GOP side was an indoor stuffy event. They were playing Dixieland and people singing Tony Orlando and Barry Manilow songs. It looked like a [mostly white] senior citizens convention. I didn't see many people under 40 in the crowd. Whatever happened to the young republicans? Of course we all saw the rally in the park, huge crowd. Did you notice who was in the crowd? Young people, ethnic people, more representative of a cross section of America. I think the media has been working hard to make it seem like the current state of the nation is because of "the ruling class" republicans have exploited all they can from the "oppressed". I personally don't blame the republicans for the current state of things, I don't believe the press. It's a combination of things like corporate greed, derivatives, fractional reserve system, etc. There was some articles pointing out the current administration did warn of troubles looming, nobody wanted to listen and the media didn't want to sell it. The republicans need to get up to speed. I think they are out of touch with the [new] majority of the voters. I think the voters are tired of rich senile old white guys running the country. And, as said before, it wouldn't matter who ran for the republicans in this election. They were on the way out before the first primary started. I think it a miracle that McCain actually lead in the polls at any time. I still wonder if the republicans really didn't want this election and asked McCain to step up and take one on the chin for the good of the country. He's the kind of guy who would do that, who would make that kind of sacrifice. Then when he started winning, they needed to make sure he didn't so they picked whatshername. Last edited by MothBalls; 11-12-08 at 12:41 PM.

11-12-08, 03:12 PM	#15
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	The next move needs to be to Ron Paul. Right now the urge is to throw Jindal or Sarah into the fire for 2012. Yet all indications are 2012 will be just as difficult for a pub to win as 2008. If the republicans want to win they have one chance. Technology. They must embrace new advancements and sever all times to the oil and fossil fuels of the past. McCain gained lots of ground with this approach before the repubs shut him up and made him talk about RW crap and "Drill baby Drill!" Otherwise all you have to say is oil party again in 2012 and the defeats will pour in. __________________

11-12-08, 11:16 AM	#2
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Well basically conservative Republicans will just have to sit in the corner and wimper for the next 4 years. The 'liberal' take over of house and senate as well as commander in chief is complete.

11-12-08, 11:51 AM	#6
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Oh it's over for them, no more racism for them to take advantage of.

11-12-08, 01:21 PM	#10
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Hey he said quagmire... heh