"McCain's defeat divides Republicans"

[Skybird]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...588692,00.html

But the Republicans have every reason to conduct a close self-examination. This election is more than a departure from the politics of George W. Bush. The usual promises of tax cuts and less government failed to score with voters this time around.
The Americans are sick of the Republican Party in its current state. And the Republicans don't know how to react to that.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm not sick of the Republican Party.

[SteamWake]

The Americans are sick of the Republican Party in its current state. And the Republicans don't know how to react to that

Indeed, they have been a sham for some time now.

Perhaps they had actually stood for coservative values instead of trying to apease the political correct crowd they may have been more sucessfull.

[NealT]

Actually I am sick of politics as a whole...if that makes any sense...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm not sick of the Republican Party.

The voice of free America has spoken!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll burn down under for that one...)

Originally Posted by NealT

Actually I am sick of politics as a whole...if that makes any sense...

Oh, very much so.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

The voice of free America has spoken!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'll burn down under for that one...)

Oh, very much so.

No burning for number 1. I have not done poorly under the Republican party. I will leave it at that.

Number 2, as a whole, yes, I'm sick of politics.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I'm not sick of the Republican Party.

I'm not sick of the Republican Party either. I'm sick of the Republican Party that acts like the Democrats. Big government initiatives and wasteful spending coming from a Republican Party is what I'm sick of. Big government and waste is the job of the Democrat Party.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

I'm not sick of the Republican Party either. I'm sick of the Republican Party that acts like the Democrats. Big government initiatives and wasteful spending coming from a Republican Party is what I'm sick of. Big government and waste is the job of the Democrat Party.

Another direct hit on the ol' nail...

[cj95]

Amen to that.....

This election it was like....do I vote for the liberal white guy, or the liberal black guy.....

What difference did it make in the end?

[JALU3]

Not changing my party affiliation, although I have been upset with some of the policies of this present administration, but I am sure there are many many MANY more policies that I will be upset with in this upcoming administration.
We as conservatives, as Republicans, need to return to our conservative philosiphy roots.
We must respect the dignity of the office, while continues to disagree with the decisions of the inexperienced individual. We must fight for our country, and what we believe it.
It is not time to roll over like the Media did, it is time to hold our flag high, flying it upside down if you want to, and fight against those who would rather have us ruled by a caliphate.
There will be other elections, and we will win them.
Hang in there . . .

[CaptainHaplo]

This "defeat" was needed - though I like most are not happy about it. The fact is the "republican" party has morphed into the "democrat lite" party, and that is why McCain actually started gaining when he picked Palin. She represents the core values that party success was built on.

The fact is that the party needed a defeat like this - not a mortal one - but a humiliating and decisive one. It forces us to "take our medicine" and fix what has been so wrong with the platform for the last 10 years. It was in 96 (maybe 94 or 98) I believe when the last "revolution" occured, thanks to Newt Gingrich. It was then we redefined and stood up for the foundation of what we believed, and in so doing we took over Congress for the first time in something like 40 years. Yet in the time since we have put up a president who was anything BUT conservative in his fiscal policies, as well as a candidate that had demonstrated he wanted to "compromise" more than the true core should accept.

Right now, Obama has 2 years to show real change. In that time, if things are not vastly improved, look for the Congress balance of power to start tipping back toward the right. When it does, it will make it even harder for him to push through truly left wing fringe policy from the bully pulpit. That means in 4 years, he will likely have little to show in real "change" that the American people look at positively. That will open the door for a revitalized and focused conservative leader to step up.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by cj95

Amen to that.....

This election it was like....do I vote for the liberal white guy, or the liberal black guy.....

What difference did it make in the end?

That about sums it up alright. Palin was the only thing that made me start liking McCain again.

-S

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

This "defeat" was needed - though I like most are not happy about it. The fact is the "republican" party has morphed into the "democrat lite" party, and that is why McCain actually started gaining when he picked Palin. She represents the core values that party success was built on.

The fact is that the party needed a defeat like this - not a mortal one - but a humiliating and decisive one. It forces us to "take our medicine" and fix what has been so wrong with the platform for the last 10 years. It was in 96 (maybe 94 or 98) I believe when the last "revolution" occured, thanks to Newt Gingrich. It was then we redefined and stood up for the foundation of what we believed, and in so doing we took over Congress for the first time in something like 40 years. Yet in the time since we have put up a president who was anything BUT conservative in his fiscal policies, as well as a candidate that had demonstrated he wanted to "compromise" more than the true core should accept.

Right now, Obama has 2 years to show real change. In that time, if things are not vastly improved, look for the Congress balance of power to start tipping back toward the right. When it does, it will make it even harder for him to push through truly left wing fringe policy from the bully pulpit. That means in 4 years, he will likely have little to show in real "change" that the American people look at positively. That will open the door for a revitalized and focused conservative leader to step up.

In other words you expect miracles and wonders of him: you want him to clean up a mess and fix the damages done in the past 8 years, and while he is at it, he also should reduce state debts, fix the economy and the trade deficit, and give america back some good reputation in the world that in the past 8 years carelessly have been kicked into the dirt and sacrificed on the altar of extremist party ideology. Oh what a holy superman you want him to be - the calcuation behind it is easy, isn't it. Raise the demands to levels where the man necessarily must fail, and then declare him guilty of the mess that he has found in the White house when he took it over. Giving him just two years for all that must be the ultimate hurdle, then.

To compensate for the desaster of the Bush years, it will take AT LEAST both legislations Obama eventually can get. Destroying things is easy, rebuilding them usually takes much longer. But he is a very inspiring man, a thorough planner and listening thinker, and seem to have the ability to really motivate people, making them move and getting things done. That mixture eventually can work - if given the time needed.

If extremism like yours is shown by just enough people, it will be a guarantee that things will not turn better and the US will remain to be the world's number one problem. Which is ironic, because until not too long ago, just 8-12 years ago or so, it was seen as the world's number one problem solver.

I find this strange. You guys put your ideology and party above your country, like it or not. Even if Obama would establish hardcore republicanism, you would refuse him, simply becasue he has the wrong colour in his party emblem. but wasn't there signs and posters on McCain'S events saying "Country's first?" Okay, here is your chance to prove it.

Have the grandeur to move beyond ideological trench warfare. That is what unity of a nation is about. That is what "Country first" means. Listen to MacCains final appell when he admitted defeat - in delivering that speech he found back to former style and noblesse for which I liked him a bit, once, before he accpeted to turn into a mud-throwing and often unfair campaigner. I really believe that he meant it serious what he said about Obama in that speech.

[mrbeast]

It amuses me that several people on here think that the GOP lost because it wasn't right-wing enough!

Didn't the US just vote, giving a clear mandate, for one of its most liberal Senators to be the next president?

Doesn't that tell you something about public opinion in the US at the moment?

I don't see the logic;.......'the Republican party is just not conservative enough for me anymore........so I'm voting for Obama'!? :hmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Skybird

In other words you expect miracles and wonders of him: you want him to clean up a mess and fix the damages done in the past 8 years, and while he is at it, he also should reduce state debts, fix the economy and the trade deficit, and give america back some good reputation in the world that in the past 8 years carelessly have been kicked into the dirt and sacrificed on the altar of extremist party ideology. Oh what a holy superman you want him to be - the calcuation behind it is easy, isn't it. Raise the demands to levels where the man necessarily must fail, and then declare him guilty of the mess that he has found in the White house when he took it over. Giving him just two years for all that must be the ultimate hurdle, then.

To compensate for the desaster of the Bush years, it will take AT LEAST both legislations Obama eventually can get. Destroying things is easy, rebuilding them usually takes much longer. But he is a very inspiring man, a thorough planner and listening thinker, and seem to have the ability to really motivate people, making them move and getting things done. That mixture eventually can work - if given the time needed.

If extremism like yours is shown by just enough people, it will be a guarantee that things will not turn better and the US will remain to be the world's number one problem. Which is ironic, because until not too long ago, just 8-12 years ago or so, it was seen as the world's number one problem solver.

I find this strange. You guys put your ideology and party above your country, like it or not. Even if Obama would establish hardcore republicanism, you would refuse him, simply becasue he has the wrong colour in his party emblem. but wasn't there signs and posters on McCain'S events saying "Country's first?" Okay, here is your chance to prove it.

Have the grandeur to move beyond ideological trench warfare. That is what unity of a nation is about. That is what "Country first" means. Listen to MacCains final appell when he admitted defeat - in delivering that speech he found back to former style and noblesse for which I liked him a bit, once, before he accpeted to turn into a mud-throwing and often unfair campaigner. I really believe that he meant it serious what he said about Obama in that speech.

Yes, I expect all of that from you first paragraph Skybird. After all, he is the One, the Chosen One, Messiah! Are you telling me I was sold a lemon?