Its getting colder! Alaskan Glaciers grow for first time in 250 Years!!!

SUBMAN1 · 10-18-08, 11:16 AM

But everyone will tell you that Al Gore said there is global warming happening, so this can't be true!

http://www.dailytech.com/Alaskan+Gla...ticle13215.htm

-S

PS. Besides, we haven't had a thread like this in ages!

Frame57 · 10-18-08, 11:37 AM

The earth goes through natural heating and cooling periods. I learned that in the 6th grade. Having said that, I am all for people being good stewards of this planet. But Al and his cronies are hyping people up with fear tactics, which is a good motivator for them.

SUBMAN1 · 10-18-08, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frame57

The earth goes through natural heating and cooling periods. I learned that in the 6th grade. Having said that, I am all for people being good stewards of this planet. But Al and his cronies are hyping people up with fear tactics, which is a good motivator for them.

Well said man. Being a good steward and using FUD to make you buy product they have large stakes in ($1.8 Bil for Al Gore in green techs) are two very different things.

-S

Oberon · 10-18-08, 11:43 AM

That's because Palin and her hot air isn't in Alaska to melt them

(note, this note is by no means a statement on my political views, but merely an opportunity taken.)

SUBMAN1 · 10-18-08, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

That's because Palin and her hot air isn't in Alaska to melt them

(note, this note is by no means a statement on my political views, but merely an opportunity taken.)

I would take this to mean you have a crush on her by calling her hot.

-S

Diopos · 10-18-08, 11:47 AM

No it's getting warmer. Oil price is dropping!

Frame57 · 10-18-08, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oberon

That's because Palin and her hot air isn't in Alaska to melt them

(note, this note is by no means a statement on my political views, but merely an opportunity taken.)

OUCH!

August · 10-18-08, 12:18 PM

No, that just can't be.

Several people on this forum have very clearly said that we are in the midst of a severe human caused global warming epidemic and that we should give all our money to developing nations and start living in grass huts, using only non polluting body heat to stay warm.

Many of these same people have claimed that we are nearly out of oil and that the price would continue to go ever up until only the rich can afford to buy it.

Just wait, you'll see...

Tchocky · 10-18-08, 01:23 PM

Holy crap it's Michael Asher.

*surprise*

kurtz · 10-18-08, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

No, that just can't be.

Several people on this forum have very clearly said that we are in the midst of a severe human caused global warming epidemic and that we should give all our money to developing nations and start living in grass huts, using only non polluting body heat to stay warm.

Many of these same people have claimed that we are nearly out of oil and that the price would continue to go ever up until only the rich can afford to buy it.

Just wait, you'll see...

Me probably amongst them

. Perhaps on the developing nations issue we can can share a laugh about the Sierra Club's take that as people in the 3rd world use 1/6th the energy we use, we should ban immigration to the west as it increases their carbon footprint. 'Lefties with a 'right wing' stance

Hanomag · 10-18-08, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

No, that just can't be.

Several people on this forum have very clearly said that we are in the midst of a severe human caused global warming epidemic and that we should give all our money to developing nations and start living in grass huts, using only non polluting body heat to stay warm.

Many of these same people have claimed that we are nearly out of oil and that the price would continue to go ever up until only the rich can afford to buy it.

Just wait, you'll see...

LMAO :rotfl:

I thought it was 'cause I stopped driving my truck !

Hylander_1314 · 10-18-08, 01:49 PM

Yeah, and the Al Gore crowd will squeal that we need to drop coal dust on the glaciers if they get too big. As they will say if we don't, we'll all have to live in igloos and eat raw fish and seals, and whales.

Fish · 10-18-08, 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Many of these same people have claimed that we are nearly out of oil and that the price would continue to go ever up until only the rich can afford to buy it.

Just wait, you'll see...

Yes, wait and see it rise again after this recession.

Skybird · 10-18-08, 05:37 PM

The usual suspects with the usual hooey, for the 1001st time. What a surprise! I must not even read it to know what it is about: hooey.

Pedersen glacier, Alaska

Muir glacier, Alaska

Northwestern glacier, Alaska

Bear glacier, alaska

McCarty glacier, Alaska

From NOAA (subordinate to the US ministry of commerce):
http://www.noaa.gov/
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...ticreport.html
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/index.html

Atmosphere Changes:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/atmosphere.html

Sea Ice reduction:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/seaice.html

Ocean Salinity and temperature:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/ocean.html

Land Effects (Permafrost, snow, glaciers, etc)
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/land.html

changes in animal populations:
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/biology.html

Greenland-specific
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/greenland.html

Time-wise limited paradoxical effects due to climate warming have been described, forseen and explained since years. Why the ice in parts of the antarctic for some years will increase in thickness and why this is an evidence for air and sea warming up, has been explained since years. It also has been forseen. Why in some regions of the world glaciers eventually for a short while will give the impression to increase in size, has been explained since years. But feel free to ignore all that for another couple of years: that is called the right of free opionion. but having a right of free opinion does not mean that the question wether or not 2 plus 2 makes 4 is open for discussion, and is a question of opinion. You can be of the very precious and very important opinion that 2+2=4 is wrong - but who cares.

Having an opinion and having a reasonable argument - are two totally different things. Just be loud enough: and people will mistake volume for argument.

SUBMAN1 · 10-18-08, 06:17 PM

Skybird - Yawn!

No it hasn't been explained. The NOAA know this better than anybody - that we are still low for the average Earth temp over 3000 years.

There are rogue scientists in both the NOAA and NASA. Including that whacked carbon NASA employee that testified to get vandals off in the UK recently by making everyone think they were justified in destroying property.

Tired of this nonsense. Where is the real long term data? Let me guess, the NOAA has suppressed it! Duh! You only have 100 years there. This is simply climbing out of our last Ice Age which was at its height at about the time George Washington was taking on the British - the American Revolution!

Why is your head so buried up your you no what that you can't see this?

-S

10-18-08, 11:16 AM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Its getting colder! Alaskan Glaciers grow for first time in 250 Years!!! But everyone will tell you that Al Gore said there is global warming happening, so this can't be true! http://www.dailytech.com/Alaskan+Gla...ticle13215.htm -S PS. Besides, we haven't had a thread like this in ages! __________________

10-18-08, 11:47 AM	#6
Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	No it's getting warmer. Oil price is dropping! __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway!

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	No, that just can't be. Several people on this forum have very clearly said that we are in the midst of a severe human caused global warming epidemic and that we should give all our money to developing nations and start living in grass huts, using only non polluting body heat to stay warm. Many of these same people have claimed that we are nearly out of oil and that the price would continue to go ever up until only the rich can afford to buy it. Just wait, you'll see... __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Holy crap it's Michael Asher. surprise __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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Hylander_1314 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: 5 Miles Inland West Of Lake Huron Posts: 1,936 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Yeah, and the Al Gore crowd will squeal that we need to drop coal dust on the glaciers if they get too big. As they will say if we don't, we'll all have to live in igloos and eat raw fish and seals, and whales. __________________ A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law. -John Marshall Chief Justice of the Supreme Court ---------------------

10-18-08, 11:37 AM	#2
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	The earth goes through natural heating and cooling periods. I learned that in the 6th grade. Having said that, I am all for people being good stewards of this planet. But Al and his cronies are hyping people up with fear tactics, which is a good motivator for them.

10-18-08, 11:43 AM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	That's because Palin and her hot air isn't in Alaska to melt them (note, this note is by no means a statement on my political views, but merely an opportunity taken.)

10-18-08, 05:37 PM	#14
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The usual suspects with the usual hooey, for the 1001st time. What a surprise! I must not even read it to know what it is about: hooey. Pedersen glacier, Alaska Muir glacier, Alaska Northwestern glacier, Alaska Bear glacier, alaska McCarty glacier, Alaska From NOAA (subordinate to the US ministry of commerce): http://www.noaa.gov/ http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...ticreport.html http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/index.html Atmosphere Changes: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/atmosphere.html Sea Ice reduction: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/seaice.html Ocean Salinity and temperature: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/ocean.html Land Effects (Permafrost, snow, glaciers, etc) http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/land.html changes in animal populations: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/biology.html Greenland-specific http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/greenland.html Time-wise limited paradoxical effects due to climate warming have been described, forseen and explained since years. Why the ice in parts of the antarctic for some years will increase in thickness and why this is an evidence for air and sea warming up, has been explained since years. It also has been forseen. Why in some regions of the world glaciers eventually for a short while will give the impression to increase in size, has been explained since years. But feel free to ignore all that for another couple of years: that is called the right of free opionion. but having a right of free opinion does not mean that the question wether or not 2 plus 2 makes 4 is open for discussion, and is a question of opinion. You can be of the very precious and very important opinion that 2+2=4 is wrong - but who cares. Having an opinion and having a reasonable argument - are two totally different things. Just be loud enough: and people will mistake volume for argument. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 10-18-08 at 05:48 PM.

10-18-08, 06:17 PM	#15
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Skybird - Yawn! No it hasn't been explained. The NOAA know this better than anybody - that we are still low for the average Earth temp over 3000 years. There are rogue scientists in both the NOAA and NASA. Including that whacked carbon NASA employee that testified to get vandals off in the UK recently by making everyone think they were justified in destroying property. Tired of this nonsense. Where is the real long term data? Let me guess, the NOAA has suppressed it! Duh! You only have 100 years there. This is simply climbing out of our last Ice Age which was at its height at about the time George Washington was taking on the British - the American Revolution! Why is your head so buried up your you no what that you can't see this? -S __________________