More religious violence: India

Konovalov · 10-13-08, 11:05 AM

Hindu Threat to Christians: Convert or Flee

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India, the world’s most populous democracy and officially a secular nation, is today haunted by a stark assault on one of its fundamental freedoms. Here in eastern Orissa State, riven by six weeks of religious clashes, Christian families like the Digals say they are being forced to abandon their faith in exchange for their safety.

The forced conversions come amid widening attacks on Christians here and in at least five other states across the country, as India prepares for national elections next spring.

The clash of faiths has cut a wide swath of panic and destruction through these once quiet hamlets fed by paddy fields and jackfruit trees. Here in Kandhamal, the district that has seen the greatest violence, more than 30 people have been killed, 3,000 homes burned and over 130 churches destroyed, including the tin-roofed Baptist prayer hall where the Digals worshiped. Today it is a heap of rubble on an empty field, where cows blithely graze.

Been watching this crazy stuff unfold on NDTV (New Delhi sat TV). Sad and terrible. We really can be cruel to each other over the most stupid of things.

UnderseaLcpl · 10-13-08, 11:17 AM

This is very interesting, but I don't know enough about India to do anything but wait for educated opinions. Consider it a bump.

Skybird · 10-13-08, 01:45 PM

Religion. Let's leave it to that.

bookworm_020 · 10-13-08, 08:36 PM

The fact that many christian NGO that work in these areas have been attacked, and workers injured and killed doesn't help the local population at all. The ultra-fundementalisitic hindu's behind the attack believe that the christians are bribing locals to convert by helping them.

The groups say they don't pressure or request it, but they do make known their faith and will help any who ask for it.

It's a pity the nutters behind the trouble don't put as much effort into helping the same people they are depriving of help!

Stealth Hunter · 10-13-08, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Religion. Let's leave it to that.

Agreed.

Here's something you might enjoy:

JESUS CAMP - HARRY POTTER: "ENEMY OF GOD"

Skybird · 10-14-08, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bookworm_020

The groups say they don't pressure or request it, but they do make known their faith and will help any who ask for it.

Answering when they are being asked, is okay. Just when they start to missionise unasked, and make a public display where they have no ground, they deserve to be kicked in their lower bottoms.

An aid given with the intention to spread ideology, is not a selfless help of the kind that Jesus meant. He approached people for the act of helping itself, and for the people's benefit - not to turn them into his followers.

This kind of linking that sometimes is to be seen by religious aid organisation, is especially disgusting. "You are worth to be helped only when you agree to believe like I do?" Who should have said that - Jesus...?

Skybird · 10-14-08, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Here's something you might enjoy:

JESUS CAMP - HARRY POTTER: "ENEMY OF GOD"

Stupid. I wonder why they were born as humans when they nevertheless have refused their brain and killed it so thoroughly without need. They would have made fine one-cellular life-forms as well.

However, I honestly believe that their children need to be protected against their parents. That'S why I am against home-schooling. children are the weakest of all, they desrve to be protected until they are young adults ripe enough to ask questions themselves, and make choices themselves, without being manipulated and ordered what to believe and what not.

Seen that way i do not enjoy your video, but it makes me sad for the kids, and angry at the stupid adults - who for the most probably were abused as kids themselves by their own parents. It's a vicious circle.

Hitman · 10-14-08, 06:54 AM

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That'S why I am against home-schooling. children are the weakest of all, they desrve to be protected until they are young adults ripe enough to ask questions themselves, and make choices themselves, without being manipulated and ordered what to believe and what not.

Yes, I agree completely, and have myself wondered many times why in a modern, civlized state you need to demonstrate your competency and mental stability before driving a car, or owning a weapon, but instead anyone can have as many children as he wants without any control of his competence as parent :hmm:

kurtz · 10-14-08, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Here's something you might enjoy:

JESUS CAMP - HARRY POTTER: "ENEMY OF GOD"

However, I honestly believe that their children need to be protected against their parents. That'S why I am against home-schooling. children are the weakest of all, they desrve to be protected until they are young adults ripe enough to ask questions themselves, and make choices themselves, without being manipulated and ordered what to believe and what not.

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We are home schoolers (just to declare my interest) but feel the same way about govt. interference in school curricula as you do about rabid god fearing parents, guess it's down to who does the schooling. The other reason is so our daughter gets a decent education.

Skybird · 10-14-08, 10:17 AM

[quote=kurtz]

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Here's something you might enjoy:

JESUS CAMP - HARRY POTTER: "ENEMY OF GOD"

However, I honestly believe that their children need to be protected against their parents. That'S why I am against home-schooling. children are the weakest of all, they desrve to be protected until they are young adults ripe enough to ask questions themselves, and make choices themselves, without being manipulated and ordered what to believe and what not.

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We are home schoolers (just to declare my interest) but feel the same way about govt. interference in school curricula as you do about rabid god fearing parents, guess it's down to who does the schooling. The other reason is so our daughter gets a decent education.

I admit the quality of public schools and ideological trenchwars forming curricula also is a problem. But the answer can only be to implement better quality controls and checks for ideological neutrality.

SUBMAN1 · 10-14-08, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Religion. Let's leave it to that.

Your religion by the way leads to greater violence - wars. Germany WWII. The religion of land grab. Atheists usually degrade into religions of self satisfaction. A much more dangerous religion than any in the world.

I'll take Christianity any day! Much much safer.

-S

caspofungin · 10-15-08, 07:24 AM

wow, subman, even by the standard of your usual posts, that's a belter.

SUBMAN1 · 10-15-08, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by caspofungin

wow, subman, even by the standard of your usual posts, that's a belter.

Yep, the truth hurts.

-S

Raptor1 · 10-15-08, 08:02 AM

I smell overly long posts with a dozen seperate quotes in them dissecting other equally long posts coming

10-15-08, 08:16 AM

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Your religion by the way leads to greater violence - wars. Germany WWII. The religion of land grab. Atheists usually degrade into religions of self satisfaction. A much more dangerous religion than any in the world.

I'll take Christianity any day! Much much safer.

-S

Not to offend but didn't Christianity play a major part in a bunch of wars called the "Crusades"

Name one war started by atheists?

Personally I'l stick with my Hellenic beliefs. YAY ZEUS!

Also didn't a certain monotheistic religion like to start people, who didn't follow their beliefs, on fire?

10-13-08, 11:17 AM	#2
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This is very interesting, but I don't know enough about India to do anything but wait for educated opinions. Consider it a bump. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,602 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Religion. Let's leave it to that. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-13-08, 08:36 PM	#4
bookworm_020 Navy Seal Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Sinking ships off the Australian coast Posts: 5,966 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	The fact that many christian NGO that work in these areas have been attacked, and workers injured and killed doesn't help the local population at all. The ultra-fundementalisitic hindu's behind the attack believe that the christians are bribing locals to convert by helping them. The groups say they don't pressure or request it, but they do make known their faith and will help any who ask for it. It's a pity the nutters behind the trouble don't put as much effort into helping the same people they are depriving of help! __________________ "There is always one person in any organization who knows whats going on, That person must be fired"

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Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	I smell overly long posts with a dozen seperate quotes in them dissecting other equally long posts coming __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

10-15-08, 07:24 AM	#12
caspofungin Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 459 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 0	wow, subman, even by the standard of your usual posts, that's a belter.