Has an armed merchant ever...

SteamWake · 10-06-08, 08:53 AM

Has an armed merchant ever scored a sub kill in real life?

Last night I was on a patrol not much going on on the open water so I decided to raid a harbor. Long story short The DD picket went down along with a Large modern, and four other merchants sank at their moorings.

Pleased with ourselves and only one mark 10 left (lots of misses from bad solutions and that pesky DD) we set back out for the patrol center to kill time then head home.

Of course along the way we run accross a large composite. We line her up and take the shot with our last torpedo. Deep runner

... So as I was bored and... "Well the weather is fine lets surface and duke it out with the deck gun"

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We exchanged rounds and well the merchant won sinking us after at least an hour of gun battle.

Yes of course I should have broke off much earlier but as I said I was bored and just wanted to see if we could get 'one more kill'. :rotfl:

Im just wondering if an armed merchant scored a sub kill in WW2.

Oh... RFB & RSRD

Diopos · 10-06-08, 09:12 AM

Well there is this story about a bored capatain that got sunk by a merchie after a port raid...

Bored to death...

On the actual question I think not, but in the almost 6 years of all out madness, which wwII was, who knows? Maybe the more serious scolars of the era will provide both of us with an answer. Interesting question though!

doulos05 · 10-06-08, 09:58 AM

Very true, 6 years of madness. I don't know about merchant's sinking anything, but I do know that Suriname sank a German freighter using a 20 lb cannon. Not, mind you, a breech-loading, WWII-era cannon. A muzzle-loading, Civil War-era, black powder cannon.

Quillan · 10-06-08, 12:03 PM

USS Grunion

They found the wreckage recently, and it was supposedly sunk by a hit from a deck gun on a troop transport.

Edit - fixed link. Must have doubled-tapped the CTRL+V keys when pasting the URL into the link. Oops, it's Monday.

SteamWake · 10-06-08, 12:28 PM

Something wrong with that link Quillan... sorry.

Try this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Grunion_(SS-216)

I also found this http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1003193648.htm

Wherein it states

Quote:

Unfortunately, the cause of Grunion's sinking remains a mystery. No matter what the cause, the end result was the loss of all hands

Arclight · 10-06-08, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quillan

USS Grunion

They found the wreckage recently, and it was supposedly sunk by a hit from a deck gun on a troop transport.

Edit - fixed link. Must have doubled-tapped the CTRL+V keys when pasting the URL into the link. Oops, it's Monday.

Well, most people agree a shell hit may have been a contributing factor, but not decisive. It's still impossible to conclude that it was in fact the Kano Maru that sank Grunion.
http://ussgrunion.com/blog/attack-analysis/
http://www.999info.net/Grunion/HypothesisReport.pdf

10-06-08, 08:53 AM	#1
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Has an armed merchant ever... Has an armed merchant ever scored a sub kill in real life? Last night I was on a patrol not much going on on the open water so I decided to raid a harbor. Long story short The DD picket went down along with a Large modern, and four other merchants sank at their moorings. Pleased with ourselves and only one mark 10 left (lots of misses from bad solutions and that pesky DD) we set back out for the patrol center to kill time then head home. Of course along the way we run accross a large composite. We line her up and take the shot with our last torpedo. Deep runner ... So as I was bored and... "Well the weather is fine lets surface and duke it out with the deck gun" . We exchanged rounds and well the merchant won sinking us after at least an hour of gun battle. Yes of course I should have broke off much earlier but as I said I was bored and just wanted to see if we could get 'one more kill'. :rotfl: Im just wondering if an armed merchant scored a sub kill in WW2. Oh... RFB & RSRD Last edited by SteamWake; 10-06-08 at 10:08 AM.

10-06-08, 09:12 AM	#2
Diopos Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Athens, the original one. Posts: 1,226 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Well there is this story about a bored capatain that got sunk by a merchie after a port raid... Bored to death... On the actual question I think not, but in the almost 6 years of all out madness, which wwII was, who knows? Maybe the more serious scolars of the era will provide both of us with an answer. Interesting question though! __________________ - Oh God! They're all over the place! CRASH DIVE!!! - Ehm... we can't honey. We're in the car right now. - What?... er right... Doesn't matter! We'll give it a try anyway!

10-06-08, 09:58 AM	#3
doulos05 Planesman Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 195 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Very true, 6 years of madness. I don't know about merchant's sinking anything, but I do know that Suriname sank a German freighter using a 20 lb cannon. Not, mind you, a breech-loading, WWII-era cannon. A muzzle-loading, Civil War-era, black powder cannon. __________________ *While troubleshooting a printer at work Me: "Do you want me to run the copies through again?" Boss: "Hold on, let me go get the alcohol first. Me:

10-06-08, 12:03 PM	#4
Quillan Samurai Navy Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 579 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	USS Grunion They found the wreckage recently, and it was supposedly sunk by a hit from a deck gun on a troop transport. Edit - fixed link. Must have doubled-tapped the CTRL+V keys when pasting the URL into the link. Oops, it's Monday. __________________ We, the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much, for so long, with so little, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing. Last edited by Quillan; 10-06-08 at 01:55 PM.