Seal clubbing

[AJ!]

So the other day i was looking for a animal picture for my avatar. I was looking through all different sea life for half decent pics and eventually got to seals.

Sadly some of the links led me to sites about seal clubbing. I saw some terrible pictures and couldn't help but wonder how the Canadians can justify something like this.....

http://www.treebugger.com/adventure-...seal-clubbing/

Now this site got me fired up. This is from the point of view of a pro clubber. Im not a religious person but i hope the person that wrote that goes on a one way ticket to hell

[joea]

Do you eat meat?

[August]

Kinda gory but how is it any less acceptable than slaughtering cattle?

Edit: Joe ya beat me!

[joea]

Yea August, I am not one for wearing fur really unless you live in a really cold climate, and like the Inuit use every part of the animal.

I just hate that people reserve their pity for the "cute" animals.

Disclaimer: I could kill for food but not club a seal. I have been in a slaughterhouse btw.

[Mush Martin]

I have known a few people who were kin of the hunt and more or less
directly lived among those communities and those economies. I feel
that the seal hunt as such belongs to a different age and has no place
in the twenty first century. I feel that the economic opportunity in newfoundland at the moment is extremely limited and I understand the
position of the hunters.

I Feel a true opportunity exists within this terrible issue a chance for
Newfoundland Canada and the World Community/UN/WTO somebody
anyway to make a real lemonade out of these lemons.

The oceans are the future of economy and the construction of various
types of industrial platforms could form a huge new basis for the newfoundland economy eventually driving them up to an economic potential
equal with korea and not relying on the cod to do it.

understand that theres a difference really although the cod fisherman may
rightly not necessarily agree with me specifically. the cod fishery feeds
newfoundland at large. the seal hunt feeds families and small communities.
its hard to take away the livelyhood of a man without giving him another
means. I think it generally foolish anyway.

The Newf's have already built at one point the worlds largest rig
and so the have some basis for the opportunity in previous experience
but they arent selling it or emphasizing it and as a whole community/province/island/people they should be driving for these contracts and become famous for it and quality.

they are a quaint and colloquial people but they are capable of so much.
they need only turn there focus a bit and they can solve an aweful lot
of their current major issues.


Newfoundland is a beautiful rugged place with the oldest history
in north america, its people truly are unique and no offense to Quebecers
but as they seem so much like me only french.

'tis d Newf's I t'inks of when I hear's the phrase "Distinct society"
not my nieghbors in Quebec.

Theres an opportunity in Canada to change the meaning of distinct society
and turn it from an alienating thing into a cultural recognitions and respects
thing at least in the sort of pinko socialist ideal of the stereo typical canadian that I feel I am. (Idealists who can explain it to them?)

Canada should also be selling and investing in the conversion of the newf
economy to the emphasis on industrial fabrication. as a canadian province
whats good for the newf economy is good for the canadian economy.

its something we and a lot of other places need to learn about economies.
the investment in industrial manufacturing base and the ability to utilize
and refine your own resources and produce product from them thats
desireable and competitive is the basis of a solid economy.

for a longer than we have been a nation we have been shipping
our resources overseas at ten bucks a ton and buying it back
as clocks and tv sets at fifty bucks a pound.

poor strategy, ok to start an economy on in the new world but no
way to sustain one.

Opportunity exists within the tragedy but who is looking ?


sorry I was bored and felt like rambling.
M

[Letum]

I am quite happy to have seals or any other animal clubbed if there is a good
reason and it does not long term harm.
Nature deal out much worse fates.

*edit* Just to qualify that; "good reason" includes fur hats, entertainment/sport or anything of benefit.

[Mush Martin]

My wife has strong objections, sometimes I have to consider those
priorities I am not the only one. I see both sides of it, I feel the merits
of the thing need to be diminished before it can be eliminated.

so a better job is the answer to my mind sooner or later no one
will need to go but the fur sellers who might make the trip or might not:rotfl:
[edit] for the unenlightend the seal hunt is not made in a subtle environment.

[AJ!]

Unbelievable......

I didn't think there was anyone who could justify this. Joea the vast majority arnt killed for meat. Most of them are skinned and then left there. Many of them are skinned alive then left to die in the cold. What is worse about the situation is this is seen as a sport by many people. That site was showing their view that going out and killing the seals is a good laugh and a fun day out.

The main reason they allow this is apparently to keep the cod levels in the area up. Anyone who can put a club to these creatures obviously isnt all there in the head....

[joea]

You obviously didn't read my post AJ? I said

I am not one for wearing fur really unless you live in a really cold climate, and like the Inuit use every part of the animal.

I just hate that people reserve their pity for the "cute" animals.

Disclaimer: I could kill for food but not club a seal. I have been in a slaughterhouse btw.

Why is this cruelty worse than say how geese are force fed to make fois gras?

[Stealth Hunter]

I don't think the hobby is cruel and inhumane so much as the killing part goes. I mean why club a seal when you could shoot it and be done?

[SS107.9MHz]

Originally Posted by joea

You obviously didn't read my post AJ? I said

Why is this cruelty worse than say how geese are force fed to make fois gras?

It isn't. Or maybe it is, but I'm shure not one of them should be happening.
ANd about cattle, well we breed cattle, we maintain their species to benefit us and inadvertedly theirs. We breed them, kill them and eat them (and use their hides for nifty shoes and jackets, and their hooves for glue, ehehe)... I don't see anyone breeding or eating seal however (unless the natives from those areas).

It's the same thing than killing puppies and kittens by mauling or drowning them...
I wonder if the seals started mauling those guys kids to make coats for their mmisses those guys would appreciate it

[AJ!]

Sorry joea i didn't read that post. I just sorta jumped to conclusions after your first post

I totally agree with you about they slaughter of other animals. Dont get me wrong i haven't brought up seals just because they are cute. Japan has their horrific whaling, they still stone live rabbits in spain and other places and other cultures have different and terrible ways of killing animals.

I also agree the slaughter of cattle is horrible and i guess being to a slaughterhouse you will have seen first hand what its like Sadly in this day and age we have such a high demand for meat in our growing population that this sort of system is the most practical way.

If the killing of these seals was to sustain our population with meat then assuming they were more humain about it i would accept it. The truth however is its simply not......

[AJ!]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

I don't think the hobby is cruel and inhumane so much as the killing part goes. I mean why club a seal when you could shoot it and be done?

One bullet to the head would be so much more humane yet still unacceptable

[Mush Martin]

when it comes down to it I wont eat veal or foix gras as a sort of
contientious objector

cruelty is cruelty and necessity is necessity
as far as the seal hunt goes if it must be done
it should as with all taking of life be swift and mercifully so.

the hunt itself may be justified still atm.
But the means Im not to so sure of

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by AJ!

One bullet to the head would be so much more humane yet still unacceptable

How would it be unacceptable? Seals are not endangered from the clubbing hunts as done by the Canadians. However, the whales the Japs are hunting are. That's the difference between the two.

So, let them kill seals. Seal meat can actually be a very tasty meal, and the fur is extremely soft, too. Just make sure they do it quickly and make sure they use every part of the animal up, like the Inuits.

Originally Posted by joea

I just hate that people reserve their pity for the "cute" animals.

YES, YES, and YES. Someone finally said it!