Russia talking tough again...

Steel_Tomb · 08-28-08, 03:31 PM

The rhetoric is starting to REALLY heat up now. Its a bit vague though, what do they mean by "intervention"? Ukraine/Georgia joining NATO/EU? NATO troops deployed to Georgia as REAL peacekeepers... not a bloody occupation force?

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020602

If Medvedev is serious about war, then NATO should be very concerned... this man cares more for his ego and military than and peace settlement. Russia is backing itself into a corner, and when a nation such as that has nothing to loose the results can be disastrous.

AntEater · 08-28-08, 03:35 PM

Then Happy Times will be happy

Seriously, what he said was if NATO attacks Abkhazia or South Ossetia (why should NATO do that?) then it would be an attack on Russia.
He also added that he doesn't believe that to be NATO's intention.
According to the russian newspaper article quoted in this iranian(!) one.
Also, this statement was made by Rogozin, the NATO ambassador.
A tough talker from a nationalist russian party and actually one of NATO's sharpest critics.
Many sources suspect he has been sent to NATO mainly to piss them off.

I think the US sent a clear message to the russians by not sending a ship to Poti.
They avoided a direct encounter of US and Russian forces.

Happy Times · 08-28-08, 04:01 PM

Rogozin is a guy that has Stalins picture in his office in the NATO HQ, he is a big supporter of taking back countries with Russians minorities. Somehow i dont think he has fee hands in his role as a ambassador, he has Putins backing.

Thomen · 08-28-08, 04:09 PM

At the moment, I am not really concerned about Russia. What irks me more is that Pakistan is going down the drain.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/...dent10_percent

The first paragraph is really telling.. hehe

AntEater · 08-28-08, 04:14 PM

"10 Percent" sounds like a Ghangsta Rapper
:rotfl:

Regarding Rogozin, of course he has Putin's blessing.
This press statement was meant for internal consumption.
If such a statement would carry weight, it would've been made in front of CNN or BBC.
Also, it is just stating the obvious. If the USS McFaul were to fire some of the TLAMs it obviously carries (the VLS cells must contain some kind of ordonance after all) on targets in Abkhazia, the chances of russian citizens or soldiers getting killed would be high. Hence, this would constitute an act of war against Russia.
Kind of like "if you bomb Florida, you're at war with the US"

Rogozin used to be one of the stooges that keeps the common man happy talking strongly.
Like Zhirinovski, only less comical.
Sending such a man to NATO was a gesture equivalent to an outstretched middle finger.
Kind of like sending Donald Rumsfeld as ambassador to France.

No matter what you think of Putin. This is not Yeltsin. If Russia goes to war, it is because Putin or Medvedev (I wouldn't dismiss him so easily) wants to, not because some drunken moron feels threatened.

mapuc · 08-28-08, 05:10 PM

Good old cold war?

Last night I saw this old movie

Hope it will stay there-as a movie

Markus

Skybird · 08-28-08, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomen

At the moment, I am not really concerned about Russia. What irks me more is that Pakistan is going down the drain.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/...dent10_percent

The first paragraph is really telling.. hehe

good man!

Pakistan - most dangerous place on earth.

Happy Times · 08-28-08, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thomen

At the moment, I am not really concerned about Russia. What irks me more is that Pakistan is going down the drain.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/...dent10_percent

The first paragraph is really telling.. hehe

good man!

Pakistan - most dangerous place on earth.

Posted this on another forum, maybe we should have a Pakistan thread also.

Taleban winning war, says Zardari

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7580093.stm

cobalt · 08-28-08, 07:26 PM

The west is trying to wake a giant that has been sleeping for 15 years ];

geetrue · 08-28-08, 07:36 PM

Too much oil money, causing this friction. When Russia had economic problems they hardly issued a peep, but money equals power.

Power to build a stong military force of Army, Navy, Airforce ... history is full of mistakes that men have made.

I hope Putin doesn't go down in the history books of having made another big mistake like others before him.

Jimbuna · 08-29-08, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Good old cold war?

Last night I saw this old movie

Hope it will stay there-as a movie

Markus

Rgr that matey

08-28-08, 03:31 PM	#1
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Russia talking tough again... The rhetoric is starting to REALLY heat up now. Its a bit vague though, what do they mean by "intervention"? Ukraine/Georgia joining NATO/EU? NATO troops deployed to Georgia as REAL peacekeepers... not a bloody occupation force? http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020602 If Medvedev is serious about war, then NATO should be very concerned... this man cares more for his ego and military than and peace settlement. Russia is backing itself into a corner, and when a nation such as that has nothing to loose the results can be disastrous. __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

08-28-08, 03:35 PM	#2
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Then Happy Times will be happy Seriously, what he said was if NATO attacks Abkhazia or South Ossetia (why should NATO do that?) then it would be an attack on Russia. He also added that he doesn't believe that to be NATO's intention. According to the russian newspaper article quoted in this iranian(!) one. Also, this statement was made by Rogozin, the NATO ambassador. A tough talker from a nationalist russian party and actually one of NATO's sharpest critics. Many sources suspect he has been sent to NATO mainly to piss them off. I think the US sent a clear message to the russians by not sending a ship to Poti. They avoided a direct encounter of US and Russian forces. __________________ Last edited by AntEater; 08-28-08 at 03:58 PM.

08-28-08, 04:01 PM	#3
Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Rogozin is a guy that has Stalins picture in his office in the NATO HQ, he is a big supporter of taking back countries with Russians minorities. Somehow i dont think he has fee hands in his role as a ambassador, he has Putins backing. __________________

08-28-08, 04:14 PM	#5
AntEater Grey Wolf Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 936 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	"10 Percent" sounds like a Ghangsta Rapper :rotfl: Regarding Rogozin, of course he has Putin's blessing. This press statement was meant for internal consumption. If such a statement would carry weight, it would've been made in front of CNN or BBC. Also, it is just stating the obvious. If the USS McFaul were to fire some of the TLAMs it obviously carries (the VLS cells must contain some kind of ordonance after all) on targets in Abkhazia, the chances of russian citizens or soldiers getting killed would be high. Hence, this would constitute an act of war against Russia. Kind of like "if you bomb Florida, you're at war with the US" Rogozin used to be one of the stooges that keeps the common man happy talking strongly. Like Zhirinovski, only less comical. Sending such a man to NATO was a gesture equivalent to an outstretched middle finger. Kind of like sending Donald Rumsfeld as ambassador to France. No matter what you think of Putin. This is not Yeltsin. If Russia goes to war, it is because Putin or Medvedev (I wouldn't dismiss him so easily) wants to, not because some drunken moron feels threatened. __________________

08-28-08, 07:26 PM	#9
cobalt Commander Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 440 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	The west is trying to wake a giant that has been sleeping for 15 years ]; __________________ download my playable viic/41 submarine http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=107315 http://files.filefront.com/CobaltsVI.../fileinfo.html

08-28-08, 04:09 PM	#4
Thomen Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	At the moment, I am not really concerned about Russia. What irks me more is that Pakistan is going down the drain. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080828/...dent10_percent The first paragraph is really telling.. hehe

08-28-08, 05:10 PM	#6
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Good old cold war? Last night I saw this old movie Hope it will stay there-as a movie Markus

08-28-08, 07:36 PM	#10
geetrue Cold War Boomer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Walla Walla Posts: 2,837 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Too much oil money, causing this friction. When Russia had economic problems they hardly issued a peep, but money equals power. Power to build a stong military force of Army, Navy, Airforce ... history is full of mistakes that men have made. I hope Putin doesn't go down in the history books of having made another big mistake like others before him. __________________