Greenwashing

STEED · 07-29-08, 11:48 AM

Have you had it up to here with Greenwashing? Well I've had a gut full of this claptrap more so from my government which is trying to make me swallow this guff like cheap flat beer.

What is Greenwashing?
Here you go >>> http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Greenwashing

But my gripe dose not stop with them, far from it. Bloody supermarkets are now charging for plastic bags but here is my point, remember the time when you bought a newspaper that was not wrapped up in a plastic bag, I do. And who was it who said we don't want the newspaper extras all over the place? The super markets thats who, talk about double standards.

XabbaRus · 07-29-08, 12:56 PM

I don't have a problem with TEsco et al charging for plastic bags. Lidl and Aldi have been for ages.

I think we should go with the American paper bag. Stronger and holds more thus less per shop and more recyclable.

Though saying that some of these green groups I am a bit cynical towards.

UnderseaLcpl · 07-30-08, 03:44 AM

Greenwashing bears an uncanny resemblance to politics. It doesn't matter if you can fix the problem as long as it looks like you are trying to fix it.

Sailor Steve · 07-30-08, 08:05 AM

I think it was the 1974 movie The Groove Tube, that there was one sketch in the form of a commercial. On the screen was a picture of a river by a factory, full of garbage, while the voice-over expained that this company had recieved a lot of flak for their bad environmentalism. It ended with the voice proudly saying "Now, after five years and twelve million dollars, we came up with this ad campaign."

nikimcbee · 07-30-08, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Greenwashing bears an uncanny resemblance to politics. It doesn't matter if you can fix the problem as long as it looks like you are trying to fix it.

Bingo

. I don't think it matters what you do, the greenies will find fault with it.

Jimbuna · 07-30-08, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Greenwashing bears an uncanny resemblance to politics. It doesn't matter if you can fix the problem as long as it looks like you are trying to fix it.

Bingo

. I don't think it matters what you do, the greenies will find fault with it.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall to some of these so-called greenies, to see if in private they practice what they preach.

Zachstar · 07-30-08, 03:07 PM

Greenwashing is what is killing the green movement.

The green movement is supposed to involve practical solutions to reducing footprint.

Long Term Savings + Long Term Environmental Reduction = Win

But greenwashing idiots have managed to mangle that so bad that we end up doing more long term damage.

"Ya ill buy this SUV with my husband's/wife's hard earned pay and then pay to have some trees planted somewhere" When the amount of trees needed to offset that SUV use is much more than "a few"

The sad thing is because of this bull**** the movement has failed. Now china is taking up what little slack we do let on and it's people are buying gas hogs like there is no tomorrow. They cant even clean up the air for the most important event in decades.

Frame57 · 07-31-08, 12:37 AM

yep, I agree. There is common sense to being good stewards of the earth. but it does seem that they go overboard on a lot of these things. A ggod example of a misdirected group would be the sierra club. I think they started out with good intentions, but now seem to serve political agenda's that seemingly make no sense at all.

Zachstar · 07-31-08, 12:58 AM

They do a bit of good. Not nearly enough on account of the donations they get just like Greenpeace with their idiotic Anti-Nuc agenda.

But thank heavens they are not a Sea Shepherd like organization.

And yes they do get alot of that "Feel good" donation so people think they can drive SUVs. It is wrong and hopefully that will be more exposed in the future.

However, In the meantime things are only going to get worse, Protests over a construction site or other BS is not going to save us from the economic and climate disaster we are sailing into. The investments need to be on breakthroughs such as EEstor like technology or Extremely efficient LED based Home lighting or Full Spectrum solar systems or better solar thermal, or cheaper wind, or Algae Fuels etc...

The greenwashing is not going to help.

Tchocky · 07-31-08, 03:30 AM

Plastic bag tax is a blindingly brilliant idea. The impact of the tax is at the perfect psychological point (the checkout). Two days ago I was across the border in Northern Ireland, I bought a newspaper and a sandwich. The checkout girl handed them to me in a plastic bag, and I started to dig for change. I finally realised that the bag was free and walked out. I couldn't help it. I felt dirty.

As for greenwashing, it gets my back up. Hearing about political leaders having a "carbon-neutral" summit and accomplishing feck-all on climate change, well, that more or less sums up what is wrong with the world.

UnderseaLcpl · 07-31-08, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Plastic bag tax is a blindingly brilliant idea. The impact of the tax is at the perfect psychological point (the checkout). Two days ago I was across the border in Northern Ireland, I bought a newspaper and a sandwich. The checkout girl handed them to me in a plastic bag, and I started to dig for change. I finally realised that the bag was free and walked out. I couldn't help it. I felt dirty.

As for greenwashing, it gets my back up. Hearing about political leaders having a "carbon-neutral" summit and accomplishing feck-all on climate change, well, that more or less sums up what is wrong with the world.

Ummmmm........ what? You have a plastic bag "tax"? Why?

Tchocky · 07-31-08, 05:48 AM

Ah, tax would be the wrong word here, it's just what people call it.
Basically, you have to pay for your plastic bags at the checkout. It used to be 15c, now it's gone up to 22c. Avoiding the charge is simplicity itself, bring your own shopping bags. The supermarkets are making a bit of money by selling big, tough, shopping bags. I think plastic bag use has dropped by in or around 90% since the charge was introduced.
Of course, having plastic bags around the place for bins etc is always good, but I find that that "demand" is always matched by the "supply" of bags that I have to buy through necessity/forgetfulness.

07-29-08, 11:48 AM	#1
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Greenwashing Have you had it up to here with Greenwashing? Well I've had a gut full of this claptrap more so from my government which is trying to make me swallow this guff like cheap flat beer. What is Greenwashing? Here you go >>> http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Greenwashing But my gripe dose not stop with them, far from it. Bloody supermarkets are now charging for plastic bags but here is my point, remember the time when you bought a newspaper that was not wrapped up in a plastic bag, I do. And who was it who said we don't want the newspaper extras all over the place? The super markets thats who, talk about double standards. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT! Last edited by STEED; 07-29-08 at 12:05 PM.

07-29-08, 12:56 PM	#2
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I don't have a problem with TEsco et al charging for plastic bags. Lidl and Aldi have been for ages. I think we should go with the American paper bag. Stronger and holds more thus less per shop and more recyclable. Though saying that some of these green groups I am a bit cynical towards. __________________

07-30-08, 03:44 AM	#3
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Greenwashing bears an uncanny resemblance to politics. It doesn't matter if you can fix the problem as long as it looks like you are trying to fix it. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

07-30-08, 08:05 AM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I think it was the 1974 movie The Groove Tube, that there was one sketch in the form of a commercial. On the screen was a picture of a river by a factory, full of garbage, while the voice-over expained that this company had recieved a lot of flak for their bad environmentalism. It ended with the voice proudly saying "Now, after five years and twelve million dollars, we came up with this ad campaign." __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-30-08, 03:07 PM	#7
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Greenwashing is what is killing the green movement. The green movement is supposed to involve practical solutions to reducing footprint. Long Term Savings + Long Term Environmental Reduction = Win But greenwashing idiots have managed to mangle that so bad that we end up doing more long term damage. "Ya ill buy this SUV with my husband's/wife's hard earned pay and then pay to have some trees planted somewhere" When the amount of trees needed to offset that SUV use is much more than "a few" The sad thing is because of this bull**** the movement has failed. Now china is taking up what little slack we do let on and it's people are buying gas hogs like there is no tomorrow. They cant even clean up the air for the most important event in decades. __________________

07-31-08, 12:37 AM	#8
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	yep, I agree. There is common sense to being good stewards of the earth. but it does seem that they go overboard on a lot of these things. A ggod example of a misdirected group would be the sierra club. I think they started out with good intentions, but now seem to serve political agenda's that seemingly make no sense at all.

07-31-08, 12:58 AM	#9
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	They do a bit of good. Not nearly enough on account of the donations they get just like Greenpeace with their idiotic Anti-Nuc agenda. But thank heavens they are not a Sea Shepherd like organization. And yes they do get alot of that "Feel good" donation so people think they can drive SUVs. It is wrong and hopefully that will be more exposed in the future. However, In the meantime things are only going to get worse, Protests over a construction site or other BS is not going to save us from the economic and climate disaster we are sailing into. The investments need to be on breakthroughs such as EEstor like technology or Extremely efficient LED based Home lighting or Full Spectrum solar systems or better solar thermal, or cheaper wind, or Algae Fuels etc... The greenwashing is not going to help. __________________

07-31-08, 03:30 AM	#10
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Plastic bag tax is a blindingly brilliant idea. The impact of the tax is at the perfect psychological point (the checkout). Two days ago I was across the border in Northern Ireland, I bought a newspaper and a sandwich. The checkout girl handed them to me in a plastic bag, and I started to dig for change. I finally realised that the bag was free and walked out. I couldn't help it. I felt dirty. As for greenwashing, it gets my back up. Hearing about political leaders having a "carbon-neutral" summit and accomplishing feck-all on climate change, well, that more or less sums up what is wrong with the world. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

07-31-08, 05:48 AM	#12
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Ah, tax would be the wrong word here, it's just what people call it. Basically, you have to pay for your plastic bags at the checkout. It used to be 15c, now it's gone up to 22c. Avoiding the charge is simplicity itself, bring your own shopping bags. The supermarkets are making a bit of money by selling big, tough, shopping bags. I think plastic bag use has dropped by in or around 90% since the charge was introduced. Of course, having plastic bags around the place for bins etc is always good, but I find that that "demand" is always matched by the "supply" of bags that I have to buy through necessity/forgetfulness. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]