50/50 chance you can sail to North Pole this summer

[NEON DEON]

"There is no land at the North Pole, but as long as anyone has looked, it has remained a giant block of ice year-round. Scientists have been watching Arctic sea ice melt more and more each year. But each summer in recent years, the amount of ice has gotten thinner and thinner. Each winter's freeze, therefore, results in a thinner pack that, this summer, could melt altogether."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/...kjGI37rzSs0NUE


GW is a myth:p

[SUBMAN1]

A. This may simply be a scare tactic and...
B. If this happens with below average historic tempuratures (remember we are still on the way out of our mini Ice-Age and still below the 3000 year average), then this is a normal event and of no concern.

-S

[Ducimus]

or
C.) A "normal" event who's onset is being accelerated by man made emissions.

Yes, ice melts, and things come and go, but not this fast.

Things that have existed for 1000's of years should not be disspaearing in the timespan of a 100 years.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

or
C.) A "normal" event who's onset is being accelerated by man made emissions.

Yes, ice melts, and things come and go, but not this fast.

Things that have existed for 1000's of years should not be disspaearing in the timespan of a 100 years.

Huh? Man made? Where? No proof and the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere has no effect on climate.

And a good point was made by a climate scientist about two weeks ago - He said all this data is flawed. Man can't even accurately predict the weather in a week, and he basically said anyone that thinks data for 10 years out, let alone longer into the future, is basically an idiot - his words more or less.

I'd say he has a point.

-S

[Zachstar]

Id say this idiotic debate is pointless. Who cares? The world leaders say there is global warming. Chimpy says there is Global Warming. Its obvious the deniers are going to go on just like the Moon Hoax people of last generation so why even bother?

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Id say this idiotic debate is pointless. Who cares?

My kids. My niece. My neighbors kids. My friends children. They all seem to shive a git about what will happen in their lifetime. I don't blame them.

[Ducimus]

I tend to say things that i think are the Plain and honest truth. Gets me into trouble, quite often. Now here global warming is concerned, i think denial is based on a subconcious resistance to change.

Few people like change. ( I know i dont. Infact im afraid of dramatic change in my daily life. ) A day to day example i used to get while working base maintenance was "But I always park my car here". The bottom line on that was, "Well, not today you are". After explainiing that they had to change this part of their daily habit so you could get your work done, they'd go off into their building in a little bit of a huff after having to park there car somewhere that was less then convienant. Global warming denial to me, is the exact same thing metaphorically speaking.

Another thing is attitudes that are NIMBY like. A parrell to NIMBY is "not in my lifetime". Many people only give a **** about something if its going to be in their backyard. if its not in their backyard, they don't care. Similarly, if its not going to be in their lifetime, they don't care, and to be honest, if i didnt think things would happen in my lifetime, i woudln't care either.

Anywho, thats my 2 cents on it. Not really interested in debating my opinion.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I tend to say things that i think are the Plain and honest truth. Gets me into trouble, quite often. Now here global warming is concerned, i think denial is based on a subconcious resistance to change.

Few people like change. ( I know i dont. Infact im afraid of dramatic change in my daily life. ) A day to day example i used to get while working base maintenance was "But I always park my car here". The bottom line on that was, "Well, not today you are". After explainiing that they had to change this part of their daily habit so you could get your work done, they'd go off into their building in a little bit of a huff after having to park there car somewhere that was less then convienant. Global warming denial to me, is the exact same thing metaphorically speaking.

Another thing is attitudes that are NIMBY like. A parrell to NIMBY is "not in my lifetime". Many people only give a **** about something if its going to be in their backyard. if its not in their backyard, they don't care. Similarly, if its not going to be in their lifetime, they don't care, and to be honest, if i didnt think things would happen in my lifetime, i woudln't care either.

Anywho, thats my 2 cents on it. Not really interested in debating my opinion.

Its not a resistence to change. You need to show me proof that this change will have a positive outcome on my life! That means, it needs to affect weather changes, it needs to affect the good of the planet, and it needs to do both those things and more!

You know whats driving the change? It has not a damn thing to do with wheather changes. It has everything to do with lining Al Gore's pocketbook (He has $1.8 Billion invested in the hopes we are all idiots), and it has everything to with the UN and control over America. That is what it is driving.

Sad that you buy into that muck. Scientists can prove to you over and over, but you need to wake up and look at the data. Not the 400 years the IPCC is feeding you - the 3000 years the rest of the worlds scientists are trying to make you see!

Funny part of it is - this glacier melt, and upwards trend in temp happened 'before' man started using hydrocarbons. After man started using hydrocarbons, the same slope in temp remained 100% stable!!! So don't feed me horse crap! Wake up and smell what is really happening!

-S

PS. NASA is not going to help you - they have $2 billion in funding at stake in this. Remove Global Warming, and they lose another $2 Billion! Their scientists have been told to shut up or they are out of a job!

[clive bradbury]

Not often I agree with you, subman, but you are spot on here.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by clive bradbury

Not often I agree with you, subman, but you are spot on here.

Wierder things have happened!

-S

[Ducimus]

SUBMAN1, im not pointing fingers at you. Im speaking in general terms, and if you notice, i did not exclude myself.

Now you keep spouting statistics and data. I simply do not read anything linked in that reguard because as the old saying goes, theres lies, damn lies, and stastics. Any statistic can be spinned to suit anyones agenda. Having said that, i was a skeptic until i started looking into it more, and i saw far too much that was beleiveable, physically visible, and things that correllated.

But here i'll degress on something. I think theres far too many people and reports (both pro and con) that have an opinion, and then go look for the info to back up that opinion, as opposed to forming an opinion based on info found.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

SUBMAN1, im not pointing fingers at you. Im speaking in general terms, and if you notice, i did not exclude myself.

Now you keep spouting statistics and data. I simply do not read anything linked in that reguard because as the old saying goes, theres lies, damn lies, and stastics. Any statistic can be spinned to suit anyones agenda. Having said that, i was a skeptic until i started looking into it more, and i saw far too much that was beleiveable, physically visible, and things that correllated.

But here i'll degress on something. I think theres far too many people and reports (both pro and con) that have an opinion, and then go look for the info to back up that opinion, as opposed to forming an opinion based on info found.

Already have. The evidence is overwhelming to the contrary of Global Warming. Real data. Real scientists. There is a thread here full of it if you care to read.

And as a concered citizen, you should at least buy the fact that the IPCC is not telling the whole story. Do you know that the scientists on their board were not even allowed to review the data before the IPCC published the data? That is Absurd! They cherry picked what they wanted to keep their funding! Now the rest of the world is going to pay some price for it! Forget it! This has long since turned from scientific to propoganda years ago! I'm surprised anyone still pays them any credibility, or NASA for that matter! They lost their top scientist on cimate models because he figured it out! Crazy.

The funny thing is, the data shows an Ice Age is coming. So everyone has been told to buy shorts, when they need fur coats! Wonderful!

-S

[NEON DEON]

I dont think so Subman.

Real scientists that couldnt find a core sample much less interpert it.

Those scientists?



High temperatures even tho the sunspot peops say we should be cooling.

Hmmm.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by NEON DEON

I dont think so Subman.

Real scientists that couldnt find a core sample much less interpert it.

Those scientists?



High temperatures even tho the sunspot peops say we should be cooling.

Hmmm.

Scuse me, but notice your Ice Age data? Try George Washington was in the hieght of a mini Ice Age when he was leading troops against the British!!! But you would know that if you did your research!!!

So go look at your graph again!!! 1776 was about the low point for our mini Ice Age!!!

Duhhh!!! Come on Neon! you should do better than that!

-S

PS. I forgot to mention that the increase in temp is the same from 1776 till 2006! It is perfectly linear! Get more data. You will see you have been lied to. Or maybe not told the whole truth. Notice this was before hydrocarbon use in 1776!!!

[SUBMAN1]

Here you go Neon - a much more accurate graph to pull data on - 3000 years at your finger tips!!! Notice even today, we are slightly below average! :p

-S