Lisbon *COUGH constitution* passed in Lord

[Steel_Tomb]

House of Lords juts approved the Lisbon treaty, with it becoming law soonish. How can they do this after every nation who held a vote threw it out. They say that it won't go ahead unless all states agree... so why haven't they stopped yet? ****ing rediculous, goes to show that the people have no power... if the government wants something they can tell us to piss off for all we can do.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/200806...n-43a8d4f.html

[Skybird]

Jürgen Habermas on the state of the union:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...560549,00.html

I thought I had posted it this afternoon, but the thread is not there, so I probably forgot to hit the post-button.

Jürgen Habermas, 78, is one of the most influential philosophers and social theorists of the last century. Along with his French counterpart Jacques Derrida, Habermas made a plea for for the rebirth of the European Union in 2003. Now that Ireland has rejected the Lisbon Treaty, he says it is time for European politicians to turn the EU's future over to the people.

[STEED]

Originally Posted by Steel_Tomb

if the government wants something they can tell us to piss off for all we can do.

And that is democracy today, what a joke.

[Stealth Hunter]

Less and less a democracy... pity the officials can't play the game by their own rules.