Stupid STUPID game

[ddiplock]

I have just spent the last 40 minutes playing dodge with a destroyer before giving up. Its march 1943 and i'm down near Freetown.

Main problem: getting away from the destroyer wouldn't be seen as the problem.......its keeping my boat level at the effing depth ordered. The boat is in tip top shape, and i'm not modelling malfucntions and sabotage via SH3 Cmdr so there is no reason why the boat shouldn't keep its depth when i order it to.

In short, i coudn't escape from the bastard because i had to keep increasing my engins speed to rise the boat or to maintain depth, thus giving away my position. the boat ended up sinking to 272mtrs before the hull collapsed and the boat was crushed. Also....the destroyer wasn't even pinging for me....he just seemed to KNOW where i was. yeah...without using asdic and if i'm making along at 1 or 2 knots.....thats realistic.....NOT :@

I'm not accepting that however. i'm reloading the game to before i encountered the destroyer, and i'm going to get my boat home. This is not the first time this has happend during a game. Seems odd that the boat stays level when there are NO enemy ships around, and yet when you have destroyerts buzzing around, it suddenly can't hold its depth?? WTF is up with that??

sorry for the rant, but has anyone else encountered this? It HAS to be a bug surely?

[irish1958]

No bug; that is what happened. It is difficult to survive past 1943.

[ddiplock]

Originally Posted by irish1958

No bug; that is what happened. It is difficult to survive past 1943.

I'm not complaining about the destroyer's effectivness as such, I understand it gets harder.

Its my boat suddenly not maintaining its depth. I loaded the game just now, ran into another destroyer, and it HELD its depth this time. It didn't sink out of control like before.

If the boat is in tip top shape as mine is, there is no reason why the boat shouldn't hold the depth you tell it to go to.

I enjoy the game of cat and mouse with the destroyers, I really do. But when the boat doesn't even hold its depth, it sucks the enjoyment out of the game really quickly, and just annoys the absolute s%it out of me!!. I had a look at the external cam during the whole problem, and the boat would level off, then the ass would begin to fall backwards, and pull the rest of the boat down with it!!!!

Now, if the boat was damaged in some way, diving planes, or ballast tanks, or out of compressed air or something, that might be cause for it and I could accept that....but in this case, there's just no reason for it, and it only serves to really annoy me as i say, and a sinking boat that shouldn't be sinking without reason i will not accept lol

[Letum]

This could be two things:

1) You need to keep moving to maintain depth. However good your crew is, they can't balance out the boat just with the ballast tanks. You need water passing the dive planes.
Just 1 knot is enough to keep your boat somewhat stable.

2) There is a bug in GWX (and stock(?)) which means that if you order a crash dive and
then order a different depth before the boat gets down to the 75m(?) that the crash
dive ends at your boat will become less stable at low speeds.

Wait until the boat leavels off after a crash dive before ordering a new depth.

[Phaedrus]

Aha!

So thats what it is!


I too have had this same problem before, and it can be very frustrating.

I have survived by heading in the directly away from the convoy 180 degrees from it's heading, until the destroyer finally decides to go back to his sheep.

Now that I think of it, it must be when I order crash dives and change depth.

I frequently crash dive and then set the new depth to 220.

Thanks for this tip, I'll let it hit 70 at least before I make my next order

Originally Posted by Letum

2) There is a bug in GWX (and stock(?)) which means that if you order a crash dive and
then order a different depth before the boat gets down to the 75m(?) that the crash
dive ends at your boat will become less stable at low speeds.

Wait until the boat leavels off after a crash dive before ordering a new depth.

This is good to know. I crashdive a lot and then level off at 30 meters or something. I crash first when planes come around because I would rather smack the bottom then get smacked by a plane.

[ddiplock]

Originally Posted by Letum

This could be two things:

1) You need to keep moving to maintain depth. However good your crew is, they can't balance out the boat just with the ballast tanks. You need water passing the dive planes.
Just 1 knot is enough to keep your boat somewhat stable.

2) There is a bug in GWX (and stock(?)) which means that if you order a crash dive and
then order a different depth before the boat gets down to the 75m(?) that the crash
dive ends at your boat will become less stable at low speeds.

Wait until the boat leavels off after a crash dive before ordering a new depth.

I would say that its number 2 point you raised. Quite often after a crash dive, once the boat is under, I order the planes into Dive mode to keep the boat going down.

[Venatore]

Originally Posted by ddiplock

I have just spent the last 40 minutes playing dodge with a destroyer before giving up

[quote=Letum]
2) There is a bug in GWX (and stock(?))[ /quote]

Which means it's a problem with stock maybe?
Can you be a bit more difinitive?
Quite blameing GWX for every standard problem out there!!

[ddiplock]

Come on fellow Kaleun, there is hardly any point continuing if the boat wasnt holding its depth now is there??

Each time I increased speed to rise the boat, he located me. Believe me, there were plently of times he lost my scent. but each time, because I had to increase speed to maintain depth control, I kept giving my position away

[Reece]

there is hardly any point continuing if the boat wasnt holding its depth now is there??

Just as Venatore said, the force wasn't with you!

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by ddiplock

Come on fellow Kaleun, there is hardly any point continuing if the boat wasnt holding its depth now is there??

Each time I increased speed to rise the boat, he located me. Believe me, there were plently of times he lost my scent. but each time, because I had to increase speed to maintain depth control, I kept giving my position away

For that to occur you would first have to take depth charge damage.

It must have really sucked to be a real life U-boat commander... being depth charged for HOURS, with compressed air slowly bleeding away to maintain trim to fight negative bouyancy as the bilges get heavier bit by bit... drifting deeper and deeper... slowly... hull groaning louder and louder... and having to decide to run the electrics at a higher RPM to maintain depth.... knowing that the enemy above will likely hear him...

40 minutes you say? The other night it took me several hours real time to sneak away from an escort in very similar circumstances to yours during my third patrol in my current career.

Even if this is viewed as a bug... I don't see any motivation to 'fix' it.

If you can't get away from an escort in GWX... it is ultimately because you put yourself into an inescapable situation.

[difool2]

Now that's a bit unfair. Didn't sound like an "inescapable" situation to me (just one escort). When I've been bit by this bug (before I was enlightened about it), it would typically take 6+ knots to get her to rise again. Now the modeling (or lack thereof) of the things you mention is a different issue, and I wouldn't mind it if such (via the mythical SDK) was ever implemented, but having to go 6 knots just to save her from a horrible fate seems a bit much.

[gord96]

if a game frustrates you that much to have a rant like that you should perhaps take a break.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Originally Posted by gord96

if a game frustrates you that much to have a rant like that you should perhaps take a break.

Rants have a way of omitting important details and exagerating the facts too.

Frustration has a semi-natural way of making small things seem huge.