Obama running scared. Refuse to debate Clinton

NEON DEON · 04-27-08, 10:55 AM

Guess BHO is afraid he will go backwards again.

"WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Sunday brushed aside a challenge from Hillary Rodham Clinton to debate before the May 6 primaries in Indiana and North Carolina."

Also of note: Dean says the Superdupers should vote on who is more electable.

"Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said superdelegates should make known their choices on the Democratic nominee for president by the end of June. Ultimately, he said he believes their decisions will be based on who is more electable, rather than necessarily who has the most pledged delegates, because that is what party rules stipulate."

I guess since he is head of the DNC he should know what he is talking about.

Repblicans are now using regional attack adds linking Democrats who have supported Obama using the WRIGHT FACTOR.

"Meanwhile, Obama has become a Republican target. The North Carolina Republican Party aired an ad, over McCain's objections, that uses remarks by Obama's former pastor to portray Obama as too extreme. The ad points out that the two Democrats running for state governor have endorsed the Illinois senator."

The bloom is off the rose!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080427/...l_pr/democrats

Clinton now holds the general election poll lead.

Obama is tied with Mcain and Clinton in General election and Demo race.

Tchocky · 04-27-08, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON

Obama is tied with Mcain and Clinton in Demo race.

NEON DEON · 04-27-08, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

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Originally Posted by NEON DEON

Obama is tied with Mcain and Clinton in Demo race.

Added general election. Thanks.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106825/Ga...a-Tied-47.aspx

Platapus · 04-27-08, 12:09 PM

And what will the benefit of twenty two debates that twenty one won't have?

I don't think Obama is scared (although I am sure that's what Clinton wants everyone to think). I think he would rather campaign in the state than have yet another debate.

I am sure he has been advised that he can garner more support by campaigning than by a televised debate.

Is there some issue that has not been debated in the past twenty one debates that will be addressed?

We know the similarities and differences between the two candidates.

iambecomelife · 04-27-08, 12:28 PM

He's backing off again?! Doesn't he realize how bad this looks? If he wants to be President he's going to have to get used to defending substantive positions. I suppose the problem is that he's rarely been in an environment where his ideology was challenged; now that he's running for higher office he can't articulate to the public and his opponents why he holds his beliefs.

Also, his performance in the earlier debate seemed pretty subpar at times. Obama is a much less awkward speaker than GWB, obviously. He could be a perfectly adequate debater if he bothered to put forth the effort. Apart from the fact that it makes him look scared, does he think that avoiding debates will help him improve? For his sake he'd better hold all of those other debates - I doubt he can go from now until November throwing the fight like this every time suffers a setback.

NEON DEON · 04-27-08, 03:27 PM

The main reason to debate is to prove to his own supporters that the last debate was boo hoo, unfair, awful. Clinton even offered to do it with no moderator roll up the sleaves and duke it out one on one style.

New excuse time. It would be better if I just campaigned. Hell yeah. He knows he is better when no one is around questioning him. Obama out spent Clinton over 2 to 1 in PA and still got beat by double digits.

I cant wait for the next excuse.

I am sorry I cant debate tonight the dog ate my notes.

TDK1044 · 04-28-08, 06:47 AM

Sure Hillary wants another debate....the only possible chance she has to steal the nomination is if he screws up. Like it or not, he's the nominee, and she's only sticking around to try and get her money back via contributions.

Even if you make the math the most favorable it could possibly be for Hillary with the remaining primaries, including a negotiated seating of the Florida and Michigan delegates, with proportional representation, Obama will still have about a 120 Delegate lead over her at the point the super delgates get involved.

She can't win unless he really screws up somehow. All he needs to do is ignore her and keep campaigning and he's the nominee.

Tchocky · 04-28-08, 06:48 AM

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The main reason to debate is to prove to his own supporters that the last debate was boo hoo, unfair, awful. Clinton even offered to do it with no moderator roll up the sleaves and duke it out one on one style.

I think it was unfair to both of them, an absolute disgrace of an evening.

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New excuse time. It would be better if I just campaigned. Hell yeah. He knows he is better when no one is around questioning him. Obama out spent Clinton over 2 to 1 in PA and still got beat by double digits.

Clinton won by 9% in PA. 9.14% to be precise.
I don't mean to parrot Obama, but the closing from 20 points is an interesting indicator.
There was a debate in PA because of the long time gap between it and the previous contest. Indiana is on what, May 6th?

TDK1044 · 04-28-08, 07:36 AM

Obama's views on all the major topics are very well known. Hillary's views on all the major topics are very well known. Neither of them will change their position. So the real question is why we had 21 debates in the first place, not why aren't we having another one?

If someone here posted the same views 21 times, I would hope that a Moderator would delete 20 of them in the knowledge that the members here were intelligent enough to understand the OPs position the first time he posted.

bradclark1 · 04-28-08, 08:13 AM

Well, I'm watching Wright on CNN and he says that whats going on with his remarks is an attack on the Black Church and not on him. I haven't seen any attack on him or the black church. This is one of the main reasons I won't vote for Obama. If you don't agree with me you are a racist.

Tchocky · 04-28-08, 08:17 AM

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Well, I'm watching Wright on CNN and he says that whats going on with his remarks is an attack on the Black Church and not on him. I haven't seen any attack on him or the black church.

There have been bomb threats on the church, brad. Check out Wright's interview with Bill Moyers.

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This is one of the main reasons I won't vote for Obama. If you don't agree with me you are a racist.

This is absolutely ridiculous. The same kind of grade-A BS that means if you don't vote for Hillary it makes you sexist.
You honestly believe that if you don't vote for Obama you will be labelled a racist?
Are you getting this from anything Obama said?

TDK1044 · 04-28-08, 08:36 AM

Just vote for the candidate who comes closest to representing your views and beliefs.

This time around for me the choice is between a grumpy old fart, a liar and a mirage.

We can choose the guy who thinks that being a war hero makes him the best candidate, even though the stress of the job would probably kill him in his first term. Mccain's VP is therefore a very important factor in my view. If you don't like him, then there's Hillary, who I'm sure will be under sniper fire from the Secret Service if she's the nominee because they hate her guts. Then there's Mister Mirage....I look cool, I sound cool, but I don't actually say anything.

"I'll take 'fuc*ed and far from home' for 200, Alex."

Konovalov · 04-28-08, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

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This is one of the main reasons I won't vote for Obama. If you don't agree with me you are a racist.

This is absolutely ridiculous. The same kind of grade-A BS that means if you don't vote for Hillary it makes you sexist.
You honestly believe that if you don't vote for Obama you will be labelled a racist?
Are you getting this from anything Obama said?

It's called a wild imagination.

NEON DEON · 04-28-08, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TDK1044

Sure Hillary wants another debate....the only possible chance she has to steal the nomination is if he screws up. Like it or not, he's the nominee, and she's only sticking around to try and get her money back via contributions.

Dean:

"Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said superdelegates should make known their choices on the Democratic nominee for president by the end of June. Ultimately, he said he believes their decisions will be based on who is more electable, rather than necessarily who has the most pledged delegates, because that is what party rules stipulate."

2025 delegates gets you the win. Not one more delegate than the other guy.

And on the money thing. If that was true, she could have walked away this week when she made 10 million in contributions.

Stealing the election and she is only in it for the money?

Wow thats cracked.

BTW: The US has 50 states not 48.

Who is stealing what again?

TDK1044 · 04-28-08, 10:55 AM

Dean can say whatever he wants. The Super Delegates will vote the way they want when they're ready and Dean is irrelevant to that process. He can ask that they vote by the end of June....and they can ignore him if they so choose....as the rules allow.

Unless Obama really screws something up, it's over.

04-27-08, 10:55 AM	#1
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	Obama running scared. Refuse to debate Clinton Guess BHO is afraid he will go backwards again. *"WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Sunday brushed aside a challenge from Hillary Rodham Clinton to debate before the May 6 primaries in Indiana and North Carolina."* Also of note: Dean says the Superdupers should vote on who is more electable. "Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said superdelegates should make known their choices on the Democratic nominee for president by the end of June. Ultimately, he said he believes their decisions will be based on who is more electable, rather than necessarily who has the most pledged delegates, because that is what party rules stipulate." I guess since he is head of the DNC he should know what he is talking about. Repblicans are now using regional attack adds linking Democrats who have supported Obama using the WRIGHT FACTOR. "Meanwhile, Obama has become a Republican target. The North Carolina Republican Party aired an ad, over McCain's objections, that uses remarks by Obama's former pastor to portray Obama as too extreme. The ad points out that the two Democrats running for state governor have endorsed the Illinois senator." The bloom is off the rose! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080427/...l_pr/democrats Clinton now holds the general election poll lead. Obama is tied with Mcain and Clinton in General election and Demo race. __________________ Diesel Boats Forever!

04-27-08, 12:09 PM	#4
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,377 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	And what will the benefit of twenty two debates that twenty one won't have? I don't think Obama is scared (although I am sure that's what Clinton wants everyone to think). I think he would rather campaign in the state than have yet another debate. I am sure he has been advised that he can garner more support by campaigning than by a televised debate. Is there some issue that has not been debated in the past twenty one debates that will be addressed? We know the similarities and differences between the two candidates. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-27-08, 12:28 PM	#5
iambecomelife Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,709 Downloads: 300 Uploads: 0	He's backing off again?! Doesn't he realize how bad this looks? If he wants to be President he's going to have to get used to defending substantive positions. I suppose the problem is that he's rarely been in an environment where his ideology was challenged; now that he's running for higher office he can't articulate to the public and his opponents why he holds his beliefs. Also, his performance in the earlier debate seemed pretty subpar at times. Obama is a much less awkward speaker than GWB, obviously. He could be a perfectly adequate debater if he bothered to put forth the effort. Apart from the fact that it makes him look scared, does he think that avoiding debates will help him improve? For his sake he'd better hold all of those other debates - I doubt he can go from now until November throwing the fight like this every time suffers a setback. __________________ https://www.facebook.com/WolvesoftheKaiser/

04-27-08, 03:27 PM	#6
NEON DEON Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,207 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 5	The main reason to debate is to prove to his own supporters that the last debate was boo hoo, unfair, awful. Clinton even offered to do it with no moderator roll up the sleaves and duke it out one on one style. New excuse time. It would be better if I just campaigned. Hell yeah. He knows he is better when no one is around questioning him. Obama out spent Clinton over 2 to 1 in PA and still got beat by double digits. I cant wait for the next excuse. I am sorry I cant debate tonight the dog ate my notes. __________________ Diesel Boats Forever!

04-28-08, 08:13 AM	#10
bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Well, I'm watching Wright on CNN and he says that whats going on with his remarks is an attack on the Black Church and not on him. I haven't seen any attack on him or the black church. This is one of the main reasons I won't vote for Obama. If you don't agree with me you are a racist. __________________

04-28-08, 06:47 AM	#7
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Sure Hillary wants another debate....the only possible chance she has to steal the nomination is if he screws up. Like it or not, he's the nominee, and she's only sticking around to try and get her money back via contributions. Even if you make the math the most favorable it could possibly be for Hillary with the remaining primaries, including a negotiated seating of the Florida and Michigan delegates, with proportional representation, Obama will still have about a 120 Delegate lead over her at the point the super delgates get involved. She can't win unless he really screws up somehow. All he needs to do is ignore her and keep campaigning and he's the nominee.

04-28-08, 07:36 AM	#9
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Obama's views on all the major topics are very well known. Hillary's views on all the major topics are very well known. Neither of them will change their position. So the real question is why we had 21 debates in the first place, not why aren't we having another one? If someone here posted the same views 21 times, I would hope that a Moderator would delete 20 of them in the knowledge that the members here were intelligent enough to understand the OPs position the first time he posted.

04-28-08, 08:36 AM	#12
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Just vote for the candidate who comes closest to representing your views and beliefs. This time around for me the choice is between a grumpy old fart, a liar and a mirage. We can choose the guy who thinks that being a war hero makes him the best candidate, even though the stress of the job would probably kill him in his first term. Mccain's VP is therefore a very important factor in my view. If you don't like him, then there's Hillary, who I'm sure will be under sniper fire from the Secret Service if she's the nominee because they hate her guts. Then there's Mister Mirage....I look cool, I sound cool, but I don't actually say anything. "I'll take 'fuc*ed and far from home' for 200, Alex."

04-28-08, 10:55 AM	#15
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Dean can say whatever he wants. The Super Delegates will vote the way they want when they're ready and Dean is irrelevant to that process. He can ask that they vote by the end of June....and they can ignore him if they so choose....as the rules allow. Unless Obama really screws something up, it's over.