Is it really worth the effort to raid harbours when the opportunity to do so arises?

Paul Riley · 03-10-10, 09:06 AM

Having just completed the 24 hr patrol in AN26 I am now considering my next move.I WAS going to risk a trip to Scapa Flow and inspect what may be in there but I got a radio message from base instructing us not to attack any capitol ships,at least for the time being,ruling out a trip to S.F.
I have decided instead to make for Aberdeen and lurk about 5-6km from land to intercept any shipping that may be heading there.Now I dont normally opt for harbour raids,but something is compelling me to do so as my patrol so far has been quite uneventful save for a Granville sinking a few days ago.I am wondering,is it really worth the effort to raid harbours,and does anyone have any experience of patrolling just off Aberdeen?,whats the traffic like?

NOTE - I have compiled a notebook containing all previously known ship lane co ordinates from older campaigns and I may have a browse through it yet,I may be close to known shipping lanes

maillemaker · 03-10-10, 09:59 AM

I've never encountered anything interesting in harbors, except late in the war I went into Valletta and discovered the interred Italian naval capital ships and sank them.

I'm sure other players have figured out what harbors to go into when to discover nice targets. But every other time I've gone into a harbor there are just a few ships and nothing very interesting.

Of course you always run the risk of mines and nets. With external camera or raising your periscope a little bit you can (unrealistically) avoid mines and nets.

Just last night I went into Scapa Flow (December 1939) with 100% realism and did not hit any mines or nets.

Of course there are usually a couple of escorts that come to investigate when things starte exploding, but the escort AI goes all wonky.

For example, I went into Scapa, and nailed 3 ships, and the escorts came charging in from the bay. I simply pulled my sub alongside a tanker at pier and the escorts could not get near enough to me to do anything - their AI made them slowly putter about at near-zero speed, hovering near me, and I popped them both with magnetic torpedoes.

While I was parked next to the tanker I was imagining crew men running around up top getting big chains ready to grapple my sub with.

Steve

Paul Riley · 03-10-10, 10:07 AM

Personally I have never encountered mines or nets before,probably due to the rarity of me entering enemy ports.I also never enable external cam in a campaign other than when training in the academy and I want to try new firing tactics out,letting me watch the torpedo approach etc.
I'll let you know (if interested) if I find anything at Aberdeen,I wont be staying longer than about 2 days in the area,then may move down the east coast of Britain and repeat,but in a IIA this wont continue for any extended time,I have about 3000km of fuel left at 10kts.

PS - I have a feeling traffic may be better near the channel,but as I said,fuel is the issue in this bloody bathtub I am in.A transfer is next on my list when I get back.

maillemaker · 03-10-10, 10:12 AM

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Personally I have never encountered mines or nets before,probably due to the rarity of me entering enemy ports.

Trust me, they are there, I have pictures.

Steve

Leandros · 03-10-10, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley

Personally I have never encountered mines or nets before,probably due to the rarity of me entering enemy ports.

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desirableroasted · 03-10-10, 10:24 AM

It depends on if you are playing stock or one of the mods, but harbor raiding can be fun for the thrill of it. Hartlepool, early in the war (and in stock), is always worth a couple of (small) sinkings if you need to get rid of a couple of fish.

Use a II boat, though. The VIIs are too long.

With the mods, if you are not seeking extreme thrills, I think you will find it a very high cost/benefit ratio. Though, as Maillemaker notes, sometimes neutral ports offer a few pickings.

Paul Riley · 03-10-10, 11:26 AM

I play with GWX3,Commander,and 92 % realism,as stated in my sig.
I enable most realism functions through commander other than the 'realistic career length' , I dont want to abandon a career just because the pencil pushers at BDU believe I should do so.

Thanks.

Jimbuna · 03-10-10, 11:38 AM

I've never considered harbour raiding very realist considering how few times it was carried out in RL.

But Hey.....give it a go, you may like it.

BTW...there are mines and nets in a lot of these areas in GWX3.0.

Paul Riley · 03-10-10, 12:35 PM

I dont think I will like it much Jim,I prefer active more mobile combat out to sea,as opposed to just sitting there and waiting for the sheep to return to the fold.
I'll give it a go tonight,if nothing i'll hang around some known lanes in the North sea.Things may pick up next patrol,it still is only 9th Sept 1939.

Wreford-Brown · 03-10-10, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Riley

Having just completed the 24 hr patrol in AN26 I am now considering my next move.

There's a little mod that you can enable through SH3 Commander that will order you to go to a second patrol grid and they're specific to type, so you'll be given something realistic for your u-boat type.

No more considering your next move - BdU will order you where to go.

fisherstoys1 · 03-11-10, 12:15 AM

I have gotten two AMC's, a large floating dry dock, and a Couragous carrier at Scapa. Not to hard if you know the nets and the dumb harbour patrol dd's keep hitting the shore.

In the Medd, I forget which harbour it is but you are always get a Dido, Fiji and some transports.

I guess it is allright if you have a dry patrol but it is a little like a cheat.

Grant

03-10-10, 09:06 AM	#1
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Is it really worth the effort to raid harbours when the opportunity to do so arises? Having just completed the 24 hr patrol in AN26 I am now considering my next move.I WAS going to risk a trip to Scapa Flow and inspect what may be in there but I got a radio message from base instructing us not to attack any capitol ships,at least for the time being,ruling out a trip to S.F. I have decided instead to make for Aberdeen and lurk about 5-6km from land to intercept any shipping that may be heading there.Now I dont normally opt for harbour raids,but something is compelling me to do so as my patrol so far has been quite uneventful save for a Granville sinking a few days ago.I am wondering,is it really worth the effort to raid harbours,and does anyone have any experience of patrolling just off Aberdeen?,whats the traffic like? NOTE - I have compiled a notebook containing all previously known ship lane co ordinates from older campaigns and I may have a browse through it yet,I may be close to known shipping lanes __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-10-10, 10:07 AM	#3
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Personally I have never encountered mines or nets before,probably due to the rarity of me entering enemy ports.I also never enable external cam in a campaign other than when training in the academy and I want to try new firing tactics out,letting me watch the torpedo approach etc. I'll let you know (if interested) if I find anything at Aberdeen,I wont be staying longer than about 2 days in the area,then may move down the east coast of Britain and repeat,but in a IIA this wont continue for any extended time,I have about 3000km of fuel left at 10kts. PS - I have a feeling traffic may be better near the channel,but as I said,fuel is the issue in this bloody bathtub I am in.A transfer is next on my list when I get back. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-10-10, 10:24 AM	#6
desirableroasted Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: In the mountains, now. On the edge of the sea before. Posts: 933 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	It depends on if you are playing stock or one of the mods, but harbor raiding can be fun for the thrill of it. Hartlepool, early in the war (and in stock), is always worth a couple of (small) sinkings if you need to get rid of a couple of fish. Use a II boat, though. The VIIs are too long. With the mods, if you are not seeking extreme thrills, I think you will find it a very high cost/benefit ratio. Though, as Maillemaker notes, sometimes neutral ports offer a few pickings. __________________ "Well, now, that's true... the IXC is a bit of a chick magnet..but you really can't beat the VIIB for off-road fun."

03-10-10, 11:26 AM	#7
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	I play with GWX3,Commander,and 92 % realism,as stated in my sig. I enable most realism functions through commander other than the 'realistic career length' , I dont want to abandon a career just because the pencil pushers at BDU believe I should do so. Thanks. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-10-10, 11:38 AM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I've never considered harbour raiding very realist considering how few times it was carried out in RL. But Hey.....give it a go, you may like it. BTW...there are mines and nets in a lot of these areas in GWX3.0. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-10-10, 09:59 AM	#2
maillemaker Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,639 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	I've never encountered anything interesting in harbors, except late in the war I went into Valletta and discovered the interred Italian naval capital ships and sank them. I'm sure other players have figured out what harbors to go into when to discover nice targets. But every other time I've gone into a harbor there are just a few ships and nothing very interesting. Of course you always run the risk of mines and nets. With external camera or raising your periscope a little bit you can (unrealistically) avoid mines and nets. Just last night I went into Scapa Flow (December 1939) with 100% realism and did not hit any mines or nets. Of course there are usually a couple of escorts that come to investigate when things starte exploding, but the escort AI goes all wonky. For example, I went into Scapa, and nailed 3 ships, and the escorts came charging in from the bay. I simply pulled my sub alongside a tanker at pier and the escorts could not get near enough to me to do anything - their AI made them slowly putter about at near-zero speed, hovering near me, and I popped them both with magnetic torpedoes. While I was parked next to the tanker I was imagining crew men running around up top getting big chains ready to grapple my sub with. Steve

03-10-10, 12:35 PM	#9
Paul Riley Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Sheffield, England Posts: 2,679 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	I dont think I will like it much Jim,I prefer active more mobile combat out to sea,as opposed to just sitting there and waiting for the sheep to return to the fold. I'll give it a go tonight,if nothing i'll hang around some known lanes in the North sea.Things may pick up next patrol,it still is only 9th Sept 1939. __________________ Best Patrol: 10 merchants + HMS Nelson for 68.056 Tonnes

03-11-10, 12:15 AM	#11
fisherstoys1 Seaman Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 33 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	habour raiding I have gotten two AMC's, a large floating dry dock, and a Couragous carrier at Scapa. Not to hard if you know the nets and the dumb harbour patrol dd's keep hitting the shore. In the Medd, I forget which harbour it is but you are always get a Dido, Fiji and some transports. I guess it is allright if you have a dry patrol but it is a little like a cheat. Grant