[WIP] Depth charge sound degradation

03-23-08, 02:58 PM

Historically and realistically speaking, one of the drawbacks (from the Allied ASW point-of-view, anyway!

) of depth charge attacks was that the explosions severely degraded the ability to listen afterwards. It sometimes took up to fifteen minutes before they could clearly hear again.

As we've all noticed and experienced by now, that's not what happens in-game: almost immediately after a depth charge attack warships can hear a U-boat just as clearly and distinctly as they did before the charges went off.

The good news is that I'm working on a way to have a depth charge, after exploding, leave behind a pocket of disturbance just as they really did. The bad news (--cough--cough--) is that I'm a total newbie at playing around with what I need to play with to do this. So don't look for a release anytime real soon. --wry grin--

When I'm done, though (--fingers crossed-) what I intend to have is depth charges leaving behind pockets of disturbance where they have exploded, ones that last between 2-3 minutes (I'd like to have them last longer but I'm afraid that, based upon how the AI works for warships, that the result would be having warships just 'lock onto' those areas and just keep depth charging them over and over again instead of waiting for the noise to clear up a bit before continuing to search). I even have a sound file from WWII of an underwater explosion and the resulting sound disturbance that leaves behind that I intend on associating with the lingering after effects of a depth charge exploding (alas, another 'fun' thing I'm going to have to trial-and-error learn to do).

Wish me luck!

~Albrecht

Myxale · 03-23-08, 03:35 PM

Good Luck!

It this works....it's gonna be one of the most wanted "tweaks" to SH3

Philipp_Thomsen · 03-23-08, 03:55 PM

This is one of the most important things that we are needing right now.

Any help I could give you, just ask!

Graf Paper · 03-23-08, 04:04 PM

I'm rooting for you, AvH!!

Got my cheering section all ready to go and will make enquiries as to Balz and his choir making a charity concert to raise awareness for "U-boat Aid".

Lord knows us kaeluns already have the deck stacked against us enough as it is. If your mod idea does bear fruit, it will be a welcome addtion to leveling the playing field.

This might even be enough to have forgiveness for creating your ASW mod. :p

(Seriously, though. I really love that mod. I even went to the trouble of making sure it was properly integrated with Real Weather Fix, GWX Enhanced Damage Effects, Thomsen's No Instant Death Screen, and OLC Environment so I wouldn't miss out.)

Keep up the fantastic work and keep those great ideas coming!

Jimbuna · 03-23-08, 04:19 PM

Good luck in your endevours Albrecht

swuboo · 03-23-08, 04:47 PM

Just as a thought; would it be possible to have exploding depth charges spawn invisible Bold decoys?

Although, that might not work very well---I can see destroyers frantically chasing down their own depth charge sonic residues, depth charging them, and repeating the process ad infinitum.

Worth experimenting with?

Philipp_Thomsen · 03-23-08, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swuboo

Just as a thought; would it be possible to have exploding depth charges spawn invisible Bold decoys?

Although, that might not work very well---I can see destroyers frantically chasing down their own depth charge sonic residues, depth charging them, and repeating the process ad infinitum.

Worth experimenting with?

Thats the best choice you have... the bolds 1,2,3,4,5 have different noise times, you should experiment them and see which one fits best. The invisible decoy is an possibility also, I guess, but dont know how. But some guys here knows how to do that. Besides, even if it appears, no problem. Better then nothing. And it will make the job easy for you, once you just have to make the bold and deepcharges work together and the rest works on its own by default.

Steel_Tomb · 03-23-08, 06:10 PM

If you can get this, it will be a major leap forward in ASW AI. I've always been annoyed by the fact they can hear you through the DC's, if I can't hear them they shouldn't be able to hear me!

Good luck mate, fingers crossed you can pull this off. Perhaps some of the GWX crew may be able to lend you some expertise from their experiance with altering AI.

Sailor Steve · 03-23-08, 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albrecht Von Hesse

The bad news (--cough--cough--) is that I'm a total newbie at playing around with what I need to play with to do this. So don't look for a release anytime real soon. --wry grin--

Some of the best-known modders here say that they started exactly the same way--changing one thing or another and learning as they went along.

Best of luck with it. I know I'll use it if you can do it.

Woof1701 · 03-23-08, 06:51 PM

Keeping my fingers crossed. Hope it'll work out. Great idea

spork542 · 03-23-08, 07:12 PM

Good luck! If you succeed, it will certainly make the 1944-45 patrols a little bit more survivable... within reason, of course.

Rubini · 03-23-08, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swuboo

Just as a thought; would it be possible to have exploding depth charges spawn invisible Bold decoys?

Although, that might not work very well---I can see destroyers frantically chasing down their own depth charge sonic residues, depth charging them, and repeating the process ad infinitum.

Worth experimenting with?

IIRC, Ref already tried this approach some time ago for GWX.

@AVH,
I guess that could be a good idea to contact Ref. He is a great guy and probably will help you with some important info and already some made tests on the matter.

And i ´m also looking forward for this mod. This will be a great and necessary adjust for the game.

von hally · 03-24-08, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philipp_Thomsen

This is one of the most important things that we are needing right now.

Any help I could give you, just ask!

i agree with phillip mate

surviving a few barrages of wabos certainly gave you a few minutes of breathing room beneath the waves...if what ive been reading is accurate. the sound disturbance gave you a window to alter speed and depth.

its probably one of the small annoyances with sh3 id love to have fixed.
those dd and escorts having super hearing right after a depthcharge assault is ridiculous

hope it works
good luck

03-24-08, 10:57 AM

Wow! Thanks everyone, for your tips, suggestions and, most important of all, your encouragement!

My head at the moment is exploding with particles, materials, particle and fastparticle controllers and generators . . . --eyes glazed and crossed-- . . . after playing with this all day yesterday I feel as if I've been ashcanned all yesterday! :p

It's going slow at the moment. I'm still feeling my way around with things but so far it still looks hopeful!

Sailor Steve · 03-24-08, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albrecht Von Hesse

My head at the moment is exploding with particles, materials, particle and fastparticle controllers and generators . . . --eyes glazed and crossed-- . . . :p

I recommend either lots of band-aids or one big bandage, so you look like the mummy. Or a bungee cord.:rotfl:

Or a few hours playing and not working. I finally got a copy of Sid Meier's Pirates a few days ago. It's a great way to relax.

03-23-08, 02:58 PM	#1
Albrecht Von Hesse Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	[WIP] Depth charge sound degradation Historically and realistically speaking, one of the drawbacks (from the Allied ASW point-of-view, anyway! ) of depth charge attacks was that the explosions severely degraded the ability to listen afterwards. It sometimes took up to fifteen minutes before they could clearly hear again. As we've all noticed and experienced by now, that's not what happens in-game: almost immediately after a depth charge attack warships can hear a U-boat just as clearly and distinctly as they did before the charges went off. The good news is that I'm working on a way to have a depth charge, after exploding, leave behind a pocket of disturbance just as they really did. The bad news (--cough--cough--) is that I'm a total newbie at playing around with what I need to play with to do this. So don't look for a release anytime real soon. --wry grin-- When I'm done, though (--fingers crossed-) what I intend to have is depth charges leaving behind pockets of disturbance where they have exploded, ones that last between 2-3 minutes (I'd like to have them last longer but I'm afraid that, based upon how the AI works for warships, that the result would be having warships just 'lock onto' those areas and just keep depth charging them over and over again instead of waiting for the noise to clear up a bit before continuing to search). I even have a sound file from WWII of an underwater explosion and the resulting sound disturbance that leaves behind that I intend on associating with the lingering after effects of a depth charge exploding (alas, another 'fun' thing I'm going to have to trial-and-error learn to do). Wish me luck! ~Albrecht

03-23-08, 03:35 PM	#2
Myxale Admiral Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: PQ AN 25 Posts: 2,178 Downloads: 70 Uploads: 0	Good Luck! It this works....it's gonna be one of the most wanted "tweaks" to SH3 __________________ SH3+GWX SH5+WoS Still Sailing....still Deep

03-23-08, 03:55 PM	#3
Philipp_Thomsen Old Gang Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Drunk at the whorehouse Posts: 2,278 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	This is one of the most important things that we are needing right now. Any help I could give you, just ask! __________________ To each his own

03-23-08, 04:04 PM	#4
Graf Paper Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest United States Posts: 1,146 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 2	I'm rooting for you, AvH!! Got my cheering section all ready to go and will make enquiries as to Balz and his choir making a charity concert to raise awareness for "U-boat Aid". Lord knows us kaeluns already have the deck stacked against us enough as it is. If your mod idea does bear fruit, it will be a welcome addtion to leveling the playing field. This might even be enough to have forgiveness for creating your ASW mod. :p (Seriously, though. I really love that mod. I even went to the trouble of making sure it was properly integrated with Real Weather Fix, GWX Enhanced Damage Effects, Thomsen's No Instant Death Screen, and OLC Environment so I wouldn't miss out.) Keep up the fantastic work and keep those great ideas coming! __________________ Still sailing the high seas, hunting convoys with those who join me.

03-23-08, 04:19 PM	#5
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Good luck in your endevours Albrecht __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-23-08, 04:47 PM	#6
swuboo Bosun Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Long Island, New York, USA Posts: 66 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Just as a thought; would it be possible to have exploding depth charges spawn invisible Bold decoys? Although, that might not work very well---I can see destroyers frantically chasing down their own depth charge sonic residues, depth charging them, and repeating the process ad infinitum. Worth experimenting with?

03-23-08, 06:10 PM	#8
Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If you can get this, it will be a major leap forward in ASW AI. I've always been annoyed by the fact they can hear you through the DC's, if I can't hear them they shouldn't be able to hear me! Good luck mate, fingers crossed you can pull this off. Perhaps some of the GWX crew may be able to lend you some expertise from their experiance with altering AI. __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

03-23-08, 06:51 PM	#10
Woof1701 Commodore Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Munich, Germany, Home of U-96 Posts: 633 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Keeping my fingers crossed. Hope it'll work out. Great idea

03-23-08, 07:12 PM	#11
spork542 Chief Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 328 Downloads: 18 Uploads: 0	Good luck! If you succeed, it will certainly make the 1944-45 patrols a little bit more survivable... within reason, of course. __________________

03-24-08, 10:57 AM	#14
Albrecht Von Hesse Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Wow! Thanks everyone, for your tips, suggestions and, most important of all, your encouragement! My head at the moment is exploding with particles, materials, particle and fastparticle controllers and generators . . . --eyes glazed and crossed-- . . . after playing with this all day yesterday I feel as if I've been ashcanned all yesterday! :p It's going slow at the moment. I'm still feeling my way around with things but so far it still looks hopeful!