RAF staff abuse

STEED · 03-07-08, 12:03 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/c...re/7283582.stm

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personnel have reportedly been targeted for verbal abuse while wearing their uniforms in the city while travelling to and from work at the base, near Stamford, and while out shopping.

There really are some nasty folk out there.

GlobalExplorer · 03-07-08, 01:39 PM

You mean like dropping bombs on muslim countries is ok, but hurting your airmens feelings is not?

I mean don't get me wrong, no matter if I'm a supporter of the war or not, but I think every one in the military must realize some people oppose it.

joea · 03-07-08, 01:42 PM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=132472

More like overblown for nothing, I've heard they were local yobs who also mock firefighters for example. Nothing political about it.

STEED · 03-07-08, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

You mean like dropping bombs on muslim countries is ok, but hurting your airmens feelings is not?

I mean don't get me wrong, no matter if I'm a supporter of the war or not, but I think every one in the military must realize some people oppose it.

The problem not many of these abusive folk seem to realize that the Army obeys the government of the day so my advice to the anti lot is this. Stop throwing abuse at the army and throw it at the Labour government instead.

Tango589 · 03-07-08, 03:34 PM

Damn right Steed. It was reported that people were even throwing insults as navy cadets, who are only going to be in their teens or maybe twenty's! Do these people have nothing better to do with their time than insult people who are either carrying out thier country's orders or doing something to better their young lives?

03-07-08, 04:50 PM

That's right. There is nothing better than serving your country or doing something that is right, no one should be insulted for that. They are a disgrace to their own country if they insult someone defending for them.

Platapus · 03-07-08, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

The problem not many of these abusive folk seem to realize that the Army obeys the government of the day so my advice to the anti lot is this. Stop throwing abuse at the army and throw it at the Labour government instead.

I believe this is what the military calls "collateral damage". The military often kills innocent people and identify it by the quant euphemism "collateral damage". The "wrong people" are killed. Terribly sorry and all that, but you understand.

In this case instead of killing innocent civilians, innocent people (the military) are being teased. The "wrong people" are being teased.

If collateral damage is acceptable for the military, should it not be acceptable for civilians? Especially when only people's feelings are being hurt and not killed.

Personally I am opposed to blaming the military just for the reasons you mention. However I do have to recognize that freedom of expression also means freedom of expression that I may not agree with.

I remember being "teased" when I was in the military during a time when it was not so socially acceptable. Believe me, a little teasing by civilians did not effect me or my comrades all that much. The military is supposed to be able to handle more than a little teasing

The mark of a free society is how they treat the freedoms that go against the "norm"

Just another viewpoint.

bradclark1 · 03-07-08, 07:40 PM

One should not be "teased" or recieve "collateral damage" from ones own. Besides here is here and there is there so one shouldn't presume that there is the same as here and then is then and now is now so then is not now.

Steel_Tomb · 03-08-08, 06:27 AM

I think a lot of people have forgotten the fact that if it weren't for the UK's armed forces they'd all be speaking bloody German right now. I understand people may not agree with the on-going wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but for goodness sake don't take it out on the military, its downright bloody pathetic. Perhaps they'd like to go out to a theatre of operations and do what they do? It's like shouting at a stick thats hit you instead of shouting at the person holding the stick!

Jimbuna · 03-08-08, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

You mean like dropping bombs on muslim countries is ok, but hurting your airmens feelings is not?

I mean don't get me wrong, no matter if I'm a supporter of the war or not, but I think every one in the military must realize some people oppose it.

The problem not many of these abusive folk seem to realize that the Army obeys the government of the day so my advice to the anti lot is this. Stop throwing abuse at the army and throw it at the Labour government instead.

Wey ya bugga!!

For once wey're in total agreement

GlobalExplorer · 03-08-08, 12:19 PM

Platapus: You will hear this rarely from my mouth but I agree 100% with what you said.

To the others: What's wrong with you guys? You must have realized there are people who think it's a shame to bring war to the middle east -no matter how much you believe it's a necessity. Can't you accept that these people have a right to express their opinions? If they couldn't, what kind of society would that be?

In other words, if you're in the armed forces it's you that serves the country, not the other way around. It's your duty to protect democracy and that includes freedom of speech, and not to put your personal pride above anything else.

bradclark1 · 03-08-08, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

In other words, if you're in the armed forces it's you that serves the country, not the other way around. It's your duty to protect democracy and that includes freedom of speech, and not to put your personal pride above anything else.

Freedom of speech yes. By all means express your opinion. Harassment no. It's not in the contract. If you see your spouse being harassed on the street are you going to say "It's alright dear they are just practicing freedom of speech"? Somehow I don't think so. Being in uniform is not a license for people to abuse.

Platapus · 03-08-08, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Platapus: You will hear this rarely from my mouth but I agree 100% with what you said.

Clutching heart.. this must be the big one LoL

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GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	You mean like dropping bombs on muslim countries is ok, but hurting your airmens feelings is not? I mean don't get me wrong, no matter if I'm a supporter of the war or not, but I think every one in the military must realize some people oppose it. __________________

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Tango589 Still crazy as ever! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: A little south of sanity Posts: 3,375 Downloads: 180 Uploads: 1	Damn right Steed. It was reported that people were even throwing insults as navy cadets, who are only going to be in their teens or maybe twenty's! Do these people have nothing better to do with their time than insult people who are either carrying out thier country's orders or doing something to better their young lives? __________________ Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way...

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bradclark1 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Connecticut, USA. Posts: 2,794 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	One should not be "teased" or recieve "collateral damage" from ones own. Besides here is here and there is there so one shouldn't presume that there is the same as here and then is then and now is now so then is not now. __________________

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Steel_Tomb Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridgeshire - UK Posts: 1,128 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think a lot of people have forgotten the fact that if it weren't for the UK's armed forces they'd all be speaking bloody German right now. I understand people may not agree with the on-going wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but for goodness sake don't take it out on the military, its downright bloody pathetic. Perhaps they'd like to go out to a theatre of operations and do what they do? It's like shouting at a stick thats hit you instead of shouting at the person holding the stick! __________________ _______________________________________________ System Spec: Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4Ghz \| 4Gb Corsair XMS2 Dominator DDR2 PC-2 6400 RAM \| XFX GeForce 8800GTS 640mb PCI-E \| Creative X-fi sound card \| 250Gb HDD \| *Rest In Peace Dave, you will be missed.*

03-08-08, 12:19 PM	#11
GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Platapus: You will hear this rarely from my mouth but I agree 100% with what you said. To the others: What's wrong with you guys? You must have realized there are people who think it's a shame to bring war to the middle east -no matter how much you believe it's a necessity. Can't you accept that these people have a right to express their opinions? If they couldn't, what kind of society would that be? In other words, if you're in the armed forces it's you that serves the country, not the other way around. It's your duty to protect democracy and that includes freedom of speech, and not to put your personal pride above anything else. __________________

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joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=132472 More like overblown for nothing, I've heard they were local yobs who also mock firefighters for example. Nothing political about it.

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AdlerGrosmann Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	That's right. There is nothing better than serving your country or doing something that is right, no one should be insulted for that. They are a disgrace to their own country if they insult someone defending for them.