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Old 02-13-08, 03:28 PM   #1
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An interesting article that relates to an earlier discussion last week.

I agree with the statement - America is from Mars and Europe is from Venus. We don't even live on the same planet anymore.

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Russian soldiers in a World War II reenactment in Moscow. Western Europe has become politically and socially demilitarized to a degree once unimaginable.
(James Hill for The New York Times)

"Where Have All the Soldiers Gone":
War's vanishing world in Europe



By Geoffrey Wheatcroft
Published: February 8, 2008



Where Have All the Soldiers Gone The Transformation of Modern Europe By James J. Sheehan 284 pages. $26. Houghton Mifflin Company.

At the time of the World Cup the summer before last, there was a nice cartoon in the papers by Oliphant, with two panels. One showed "Soccer as seen by Americans," a group of dainty chaps prancing lightly across the grass with purses dangling from their limp wrists, and the other, "American football as seen by Europeans," a heap of brutally moronic humanoids using severed limbs to batter each others' brains out.


Yes, that sums up this reciprocal perception rather well - and it might have hinted at a contrast going beyond sports. The delicate midfield artists of Barcelona and Arsenal are vegetarian Venusians, shall we say? While the ferocious Giants and Patriots linebackers could be called Martian carnivores. The very games look like a metaphor for the gulf, growing between the two continents since World War II, that was the subject of Robert Kagan's "Of Paradise and Power" in which he denounced sybaritic, pacifistic Europe on behalf of "Americans from Mars." As James J. Sheehan neatly observes in "Where Have All the Soldiers Gone?" Kagan's philippic was published on Feb. 5, 2003, just 10 days before Europe saw the largest political demonstration in its history. More than half a million marched in Berlin to protest the imminent Iraq war, with other huge rallies in Rome, Barcelona and London.


This outpouring of popular feeling against war no doubt confirmed Kagan in his view that those "Europeans from Venus" are now incapable of the use of military force that still comes naturally to Americans, and that it was "time to stop pretending that Europeans and Americans share a common view of the world, or even that they occupy the same world." However that may be, it's a surely astonishing fact that no European war has been fought for more than 60 years, at least outside the ruins of Yugoslavia. Western Europe has become politically and socially demilitarized to a degree once unimaginable; after so many centuries of bloody conflict, Europeans don't want to study war anymore. In his scintillating tour d'horizon - and de force - Sheehan suggests that such obsolescence of war is specifically "the product of Europe's distinctive history in the 20th century," and he argues that it has created a new kind of European state along with "a dramatically new international system within Europe."


There had been an earlier age of peace. The half-century following Waterloo was notably pacific after the violence from which it had emerged, and 1871 to 1914 saw the longest period until now without any war at all between larger European powers. There was besides a vigorous peace movement. Sheehan describes the vogue for such books as Bertha von Suttner's "Lay Down Your Arms," Ivan Bloch's "Future of War," which inspired the 1899 Hague peace conference, and Norman Angell's "Great Illusion." So it was that "at the beginning of the 20th century, as at the beginning of the 21st, a relatively peaceful Europe lived in a dangerously violent world." And yet even then there were powerful contrary forces plainly visible. In that age of ever more strident nationalism, chauvinists saw the army - and war - as the crucible forging national unity.


Great powers displayed their greatness with mass conscript armies, uniforms were seen everywhere and when a Bulgarian general said in 1910 that "we have become the most militaristic state in the world" it wasn't a lament but a boast. An unmistakable mood was bored with the very achievements of consensual government and material improvement, while "the revolt of the masses" itself had military implications, as some saw: well before 1914 Churchill said with chilling prescience that democracy was more vindictive than oligarchy, and "the wars of peoples will be more terrible than the wars of kings."

In the end the Party of Peace did win, but only after the catastrophe between 1914 and 1945, with bloodshed surpassing anything ever seen and an utterly unparalleled murder of innocents; a regression that remains an inexplicable moral mystery. In those years one might say that the best lacked all conviction and the worst were full of passionate intensity: even after the carnage of the trenches, an important minority - Russian Communists as well as Italian Fascists - still believed in "the regenerating value of violence," and this was brilliantly exploited by Hitler.


When the next war came it was waged just as he demanded, "with the greatest brutality and without mercy." Although Sheehan's title alludes to Europe since 1945, almost two-thirds of his narrative deals with the years up to then - but in a way those earlier years answer the question he poses. By the second half of the 20th century, having given a most vivid demonstration of Walter Benjamin's saying that civilization and barbarism are far from incompatible, Europe was exhausted and ashamed. For all the exigencies of the Cold War, there was an overwhelming desire never again to see real war, between France and Germany or among their neighbors.

The "trente glorieuses" after VE-Day saw three decades of astonishing economic growth, which coincided with another most remarkable change: "With or without a fight, Europeans abandoned their empires." This proved pure benefit for Europe, if not for the former colonies, and its further significance was that, as Sheehan says in a typically perceptive phrase, the brute force with which empire had been won and held now seemed anachronistic, "part of a vanished world in which the ability to wage war had been centrally important to what it meant to be a state." From the 1970s the economy stalled while Europe faced numerous social problems. And yet as the Cold War ran down the clock, it became gradually clearer that liberal democracy and a market economy mitigated by welfare had won a complete political victory over "actually existing socialism." At the same time Europe was fully "civilianized": conscription was abandoned, armies themselves assimilated the values of civilian society and, as the great English military historian Michael Howard has put it, "death was no longer seen as being part of the social contract."


But life is full of surprises. Sheehan's book is sprinkled with confident but foolish predictions, like H. N. Brailsford averring in the early summer of 1914 that "there will be no more wars among the six great powers," or The Economist in September of that year dilating on "the economic and financial impossibility of carrying out hostilities many more months on the present scale."


Just more than 70 years later, as cocksure as ever and as wrong, that magazine asserted in 1985 "that nothing much will have changed by the year 2025." Shortly after those words were published, the Berlin Wall fell, the Soviet empire imploded and savage violence consumed the Balkans, whence so many of Europe's woes had long stemmed.


Here Sheehan is most sagacious. He sees that the game was up for the Soviet regime the moment Gorbachev disavowed "force and the threat of force," and he gets the breakup of Yugoslavia right. In late 1991, at the insistence of the German government, the European Union recognized the sovereignty of Slovenia and Croatia, and then Bosnia, crucially and disastrously before the nationality questions in those territories had been resolved. This encouraged a competitive round of territorial acquisition and ethnic expulsion and "intensified the predatory war being fought by Serbs and Croatians against Bosnia." It was of course ludicrous as well as hubristic for Jacques Poos, foreign minister of Luxembourg, to say at this juncture that "the hour of Europe has dawned," but trans-Atlantic denunciations of European weakness were also misplaced. When the tub-thumpers of Capitol Hill and the op-ed pages were asked 15 years ago what kind of military intervention in the Balkans they had in mind, it turned out to mean American air cover while the West Europeans provided the PBI, as the British Army used to say, the poor bloody infantry, a division of labor that had little appeal in Europe.


What sense does "Mars and Venus" have in the light of the past century, and the price paid by different countries? In 1914-18, 1.3 million Frenchmen were killed defending their country, which is to say more than twice as many as all the Americans who have died in every foreign war from 1776 until today. There has been much anguish about American casualties in Iraq, where last year was the worst since 2003, with all of 901 deaths.

Reading that, the European may reflect silently on the dates Aug. 22, 1914, when 27,000 French soldiers were killed in a day, or July 1, 1916, when 20,000 British troops died.


It isn't necessary to agree with Evelyn Waugh writing to his friend Graham Greene - "Of course the Americans are cowards. They are almost all the descendants of wretches who deserted their legitimate monarchs for fear of military service" - to see clearly that the United States isn't a warlike country at all. In many ways it has always been more deeply peaceable in its instincts than ever Europe was

And is the civilianization of Europe such a bad thing? Although there has been much grumbling about the Bundeswehr's inadequate contribution in Afghanistan, some of us cannot see it as an occasion for pure regret if the Germans have changed character so drastically. In World War II, the Wehrmacht was unquestionably the best army, man for man and unit for unit, not least against the less ferocious "citizens in uniform" of the British and American Armies. Is that really a cause for British or American shame? When German rearmament began in the 1950s, at American urging, Gustav Heinemann resigned as Adenauer's interior minister, with the words, "God took arms out of our hands twice; we must not take hold of them a third time." Was he so wrong?


In a bravura final chapter Sheehan explains "Why Europe Will Not Become a Super-power." As he recognizes, the European Union is already a superstate economically, but its failure to develop a common foreign and defense policy will continue to disappoint some enthusiasts.


One can talk about European soft power against American hard power, but the point is made better by Sheehan in the peroration to this excellent book. The birth of the Bolshevik regime - and then of Fascist and National Socialist regimes - was a direct consequence of the "intense violence" then poisoning Europe. The astonishingly peaceful collapse of Communism rather more than 70 years later reflected in turn "the decline of violence that, by the 1980s, had transformed international and domestic politics throughout Europe": a change for the better if ever there was one. To put it another way, soccer is not only England's and Europe's gift to all mankind. It really is a better game.


Geoffrey Wheatcroft's books include "The Controversy of Zion," "The Strange Death of Tory England" and "Yo, Blair!" He is writing a book on Churchill's reputation before and since his death.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/02/...DE9.php?page=1
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Old 02-13-08, 09:31 PM   #2
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wonderful article there... nicely written methinks

as for the message it carries, well, thats great, provided that everyone else in the world plays along. just remember though that worst case scenario is that the european nations are caught pants around ankles and heads in sand.

I think a major inter-european conflict in unlikely for the next 100, maybe even 150 years, but i do think there'll be another one. Too many differences and too much history imo
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Old 02-13-08, 10:03 PM   #3
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"America is from Mars and Europe is from Venus"

So that must mean that Great Britain is Planet Earth, stuck between the two of them.

Where does that leave our Antipodean cousins? Far side of Pluto?

Lucky them I say.
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Where does that leave our Antipodean cousins?
Somewhere near Uranus...
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America is from Mars, Europe is from Venus.

In other words, nothing has changed since the 1980s...

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Gizz use to slap my wrist if I pasted a whole article, but I like it ... I just don't always have time to follow a link, reluctant is the word.

I'm from Texas, but I think my last wife was from Mars ... she had a little birth mark on her inner thigh ... How about ya'll.
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LOL, nothing has changed sine the 1700s more like
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Good article...I'm just waiting for Sky to give his typical page an a half rendition.
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worst case scenario is that the european nations are caught pants around ankles and heads in sand.
Thats how every war gets started. Peace through awareness and superior firepower is the only way to stop war.
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Where does that leave our Antipodean cousins?
Somewhere near Uranus...
Didn't see that one coming...
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Who would have ever thought someone could put american football in a positive light, good job.
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worst case scenario is that the european nations are caught pants around ankles and heads in sand.
Thats how every war gets started. Peace through awareness and superior firepower is the only way to stop war.
That is of course how the two world wars were prevented.
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worst case scenario is that the european nations are caught pants around ankles and heads in sand.
Thats how every war gets started. Peace through awareness and superior firepower is the only way to stop war.
That is of course how the two world wars were prevented.
Actually in both world wars awareness and superior firepower were both severely lacking.
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